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Is Congress close to passing anything? These public tongue lashings that have been going on for years make good theater I guess but are utterly ridiculous at t

Is Congress close to passing anything? These public tongue lashings that have been going on for years make good theater I guess but are utterly ridiculous at this point.

PaulHoule 3y ago
Well…. At the very least Zuckerberg acts like an adult and takes some responsibility which puts him in the top 10% or more of CEOs.
- netsharc 3y ago
  I'm biased against him and I think it's a CEO flapping his mouth so the noise that sounds like "Sorry" comes out, probably because this was reported yesterday: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/30/us/rep-brandon-guffey-instagram-lawsuit-cec/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/30/us/rep-brandon-guffey-ins... (HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39192704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39192704 ) And anyway: > Each of the CEOs addressed the families in the room and gave their condolences So.. adults every one of them?
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    For showing up, yes. What level of responsibility do creators have for criminal evil acts that people do with their creations? I know a lot of Fediverse folks who point to the Malaysia-genocide connection with Facebook as as evidence that the Fedi is superior but the Fediverse is based on open-source software that anybody could use to run a server which is all genocide all the time and the only thing anybody else can do is defederate and claim they have clean hands. I bet people involved with that genocide used Linux and Windows too. Are we going to blame Richard Stallman? Sure you can violate the GPL by not publishing the source code for a consumer product but there is nothing to stop you from using it to make a killer drone. (Myself I quit Facebook in 2016 but I did get back in because I really wanted to develop software for an affordable XR headset)
    - elashri 3y ago
      > Malaysia-genocide I think you mean Rohingya genocide [1] in which human rights organizations asserts that facebook playing/ed role [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutupalong_refugee_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutupalong_refugee_camp [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...
      - PaulHoule 3y ago
        Ooops… It was supposed to be Myanmar, sorry. Note they got kicked out of that country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook would have been kicked out sooner had they not been complicit in the genocide. It does really excuse them but any company that takes a stand against that sort of thing is likely to get banned. Hypothetically a company like Facebook could choose ‘exit’ and walk away with clean hands, the open source developers of something like Mastodon have no recourse of any kind if those tools are misused. I don’t question their complicity so far as it goes but I don’t know if anyone could have done better. Should Microsoft have turned off Microsoft Word for them? Should Qualcomm or other telecom vendors have shut off their phone network because they were misusing patented technology? Sometimes I think genociders and quasi-genociders play ten dimensional chess and the rest of us are playing one dimensional tic tac toe. That is, our corporations think a quarter ahead, our governments an election ahead. They think ahead for hundreds or thousands of years that it will take for their enemies to be truly forgotten (e.g. when Poland was partitioned the parties had a secret treaty that ‘Poland’ would never be talked about; Austria-Hungary sure thought Austria-Hungary would be around longer than the Polish people.). You’d better believe Israel looks back to 2000 years ago when they got kicked out by the Romans and are similarly willing to wait a few hundred years to completely expel the Palestinians and erase their memory if it takes that. (Ironically if they hadn’t been kicked out by the Romans they might be forgotten now except for their contribution to ancient literature.) Now maybe if the petroleum industry grew a backbone we could send a country like that to the stone age.
- cush 3y ago
  Discord’s CEO, Jason Citron, really showed his inexperience when he was being grilled by Lindsay Graham. At one point he snickered at a question regarding his company’s support of one of the bills. Literally laughed about the CSAM Act with the parents of hundreds of victims sitting right behind him.
throw1234651234 3y ago
Was looking for exactly this comment - this looks like a reality TV show. Dramatic questions. Standard non-answers. Well, reality TV or a presidential debate.

Is Congress close to passing anything? These public tongue lashings that have been going on for years make good theater I guess but are utterly ridiculous at this point.

PaulHoule 3y ago

Well…. At the very least Zuckerberg acts like an adult and takes some responsibility which puts him in the top 10% or more of CEOs.

netsharc 3y ago
I'm biased against him and I think it's a CEO flapping his mouth so the noise that sounds like "Sorry" comes out, probably because this was reported yesterday: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/30/us/rep-brandon-guffey-instagram-lawsuit-cec/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/30/us/rep-brandon-guffey-ins... (HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39192704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39192704 ) And anyway: > Each of the CEOs addressed the families in the room and gave their condolences So.. adults every one of them?
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  For showing up, yes. What level of responsibility do creators have for criminal evil acts that people do with their creations? I know a lot of Fediverse folks who point to the Malaysia-genocide connection with Facebook as as evidence that the Fedi is superior but the Fediverse is based on open-source software that anybody could use to run a server which is all genocide all the time and the only thing anybody else can do is defederate and claim they have clean hands. I bet people involved with that genocide used Linux and Windows too. Are we going to blame Richard Stallman? Sure you can violate the GPL by not publishing the source code for a consumer product but there is nothing to stop you from using it to make a killer drone. (Myself I quit Facebook in 2016 but I did get back in because I really wanted to develop software for an affordable XR headset)
  - elashri 3y ago
    > Malaysia-genocide I think you mean Rohingya genocide [1] in which human rights organizations asserts that facebook playing/ed role [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutupalong_refugee_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutupalong_refugee_camp [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...
    - PaulHoule 3y ago
      Ooops… It was supposed to be Myanmar, sorry. Note they got kicked out of that country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook would have been kicked out sooner had they not been complicit in the genocide. It does really excuse them but any company that takes a stand against that sort of thing is likely to get banned. Hypothetically a company like Facebook could choose ‘exit’ and walk away with clean hands, the open source developers of something like Mastodon have no recourse of any kind if those tools are misused. I don’t question their complicity so far as it goes but I don’t know if anyone could have done better. Should Microsoft have turned off Microsoft Word for them? Should Qualcomm or other telecom vendors have shut off their phone network because they were misusing patented technology? Sometimes I think genociders and quasi-genociders play ten dimensional chess and the rest of us are playing one dimensional tic tac toe. That is, our corporations think a quarter ahead, our governments an election ahead. They think ahead for hundreds or thousands of years that it will take for their enemies to be truly forgotten (e.g. when Poland was partitioned the parties had a secret treaty that ‘Poland’ would never be talked about; Austria-Hungary sure thought Austria-Hungary would be around longer than the Polish people.). You’d better believe Israel looks back to 2000 years ago when they got kicked out by the Romans and are similarly willing to wait a few hundred years to completely expel the Palestinians and erase their memory if it takes that. (Ironically if they hadn’t been kicked out by the Romans they might be forgotten now except for their contribution to ancient literature.) Now maybe if the petroleum industry grew a backbone we could send a country like that to the stone age.
cush 3y ago
Discord’s CEO, Jason Citron, really showed his inexperience when he was being grilled by Lindsay Graham. At one point he snickered at a question regarding his company’s support of one of the bills. Literally laughed about the CSAM Act with the parents of hundreds of victims sitting right behind him.

throw1234651234 3y ago

Was looking for exactly this comment - this looks like a reality TV show. Dramatic questions. Standard non-answers. Well, reality TV or a presidential debate.