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I can't tell if you are arguing that there are literally no situations where one or more of these can be improved without sacrificing the others or if you think

I can't tell if you are arguing that there are literally no situations where one or more of these can be improved without sacrificing the others or if you think that libertarians and/or CATO believe that it is possible to fully maximize all of them at once. I also can't decide which claim I think is the more ridiculous.

wredue 3y ago
Right-libertarians believe in the absolute minimalist of government and otherwise everything is free from interference. They believe this even to the point of believing that basic services, such as garbage collection, should be eradicated and completely privatized, stupidly believing that the “market will take care of it”. Right-libertarians have unquestioning faith in the belief that “the market and competition will handle (it)”. This belief is held despite the literal millennium of evidence that states this is false, and every single attempt at such failing miserably. Left-libertarians believe in strong personal freedom and somewhat strong regulatory bodies on the market. I don’t know why you don’t believe that this is what libertarians believe, as it’s what libertarians themselves claim to believe (despite their being easily trapped to state things counter to their own beliefs).
- MostlyStable 3y ago
  I'm not really interested in getting into an argument about what amorphous groups believe since it's basically impossible to decide and we are both going to be basing it on our own personal experiences and definitions of who belongs in tha group (although if you think that "all" libertarians agree on literally anything, I can only imagine you haven't actually talked to very many). But the CATO institute is a particular organization with relatively consistent views. If you can point to it clearly and plainly espousing the views you are talking about, I will be surprised.
  - wredue 3y ago
    >cato is relatively consistent. The article you are currently commenting on is a demonstration of their inconsistent views and they were only a few days ago complaining about the exact opposite issue. Libertarianism has no consistency. It cannot be consistent by definition because libertarian pillars cannot be reconciled. Left libertarianism is a bit better, but even the individual pillars on their own are irreconcilable. Free market cannot be reconciled with itself. Individual freedom cannot be reconciled with itself.

wredue 3y ago

Right-libertarians believe in the absolute minimalist of government and otherwise everything is free from interference. They believe this even to the point of believing that basic services, such as garbage collection, should be eradicated and completely privatized, stupidly believing that the “market will take care of it”. Right-libertarians have unquestioning faith in the belief that “the market and competition will handle (it)”. This belief is held despite the literal millennium of evidence that states this is false, and every single attempt at such failing miserably. Left-libertarians believe in strong personal freedom and somewhat strong regulatory bodies on the market. I don’t know why you don’t believe that this is what libertarians believe, as it’s what libertarians themselves claim to believe (despite their being easily trapped to state things counter to their own beliefs).

MostlyStable 3y ago
I'm not really interested in getting into an argument about what amorphous groups believe since it's basically impossible to decide and we are both going to be basing it on our own personal experiences and definitions of who belongs in tha group (although if you think that "all" libertarians agree on literally anything, I can only imagine you haven't actually talked to very many). But the CATO institute is a particular organization with relatively consistent views. If you can point to it clearly and plainly espousing the views you are talking about, I will be surprised.
- wredue 3y ago
  >cato is relatively consistent. The article you are currently commenting on is a demonstration of their inconsistent views and they were only a few days ago complaining about the exact opposite issue. Libertarianism has no consistency. It cannot be consistent by definition because libertarian pillars cannot be reconciled. Left libertarianism is a bit better, but even the individual pillars on their own are irreconcilable. Free market cannot be reconciled with itself. Individual freedom cannot be reconciled with itself.