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It is. A bunch of vocal people having loud opinions online doesn't really matter and that's what he demonstrates perfectly: people are mad, but tesla's are sell

It is. A bunch of vocal people having loud opinions online doesn't really matter and that's what he demonstrates perfectly: people are mad, but tesla's are selling like hotcakes, spacex is still successful and his money keeps multiplying. Other people see that and feel no need to maintain appearances. This will only get worse as more and more people catch on.

psunavy03 3y ago
That's because the quality of Tesla and SpaceX's products have nothing to do with Elon himself being an obnoxious ass. Steve Jobs was a horrible human, too, yet Apple is a going concern.
- actualwitch 3y ago
  If I remember correctly, Steve Jobs did try to maintain non-offensive outward persona. At least from what I remember, the people who he was an ass to were mainly people physically near him: family, coworkers. Scaling that to whole social platform is rather different in scale.
ethbr1 3y ago
If the metric by which we gauge society's acceptance of someone is their wealth... Elon isn't the first nor will be the last to be a rich asshole. Making lots of money, and keeping that money, is independent of goodwill. Especially if you're starting rich enough to bypass needing many random people to help you. I can't agree that Elon showing his ass on Twitter is fundamentally changing social acceptance of doing so.
- actualwitch 3y ago
  I would argue he's the first to just buy one of the biggest social platforms so that he can show his ass on it. Probably not the last one, that we can agree on.
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_World https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_World (1883)
    - actualwitch 3y ago
      This newspaper didn't even have reach outside US, are you seriously comparing it to fucking twitter?
      - ethbr1 3y ago
        Yes. There's a huge portion of humanity who doesn't read Twitter. Newspapers in their heyday were more influential on public discourse.
        actualwitch 3y ago
        If you buy a phone in any place of this planet and then go to its app marketplace, you will likely see twitter as one of the most popular apps on it. I cannot seriously continue this conversation with someone who considers that to be same as some local city newspaper no one seen.
nebula8804 3y ago
We are seeing that with all the layoffs. Elon normalized treating engineers like garbage. Feels like only way for us to go back to the old mentality is for his methods to end up crashing and burning his enterprises. As it stands the opposite is happening.

psunavy03 3y ago

That's because the quality of Tesla and SpaceX's products have nothing to do with Elon himself being an obnoxious ass. Steve Jobs was a horrible human, too, yet Apple is a going concern.

actualwitch 3y ago
If I remember correctly, Steve Jobs did try to maintain non-offensive outward persona. At least from what I remember, the people who he was an ass to were mainly people physically near him: family, coworkers. Scaling that to whole social platform is rather different in scale.

ethbr1 3y ago

If the metric by which we gauge society's acceptance of someone is their wealth... Elon isn't the first nor will be the last to be a rich asshole. Making lots of money, and keeping that money, is independent of goodwill. Especially if you're starting rich enough to bypass needing many random people to help you. I can't agree that Elon showing his ass on Twitter is fundamentally changing social acceptance of doing so.

actualwitch 3y ago
I would argue he's the first to just buy one of the biggest social platforms so that he can show his ass on it. Probably not the last one, that we can agree on.
- ethbr1 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_World https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_World (1883)
  - actualwitch 3y ago
    This newspaper didn't even have reach outside US, are you seriously comparing it to fucking twitter?
    - ethbr1 3y ago
      Yes. There's a huge portion of humanity who doesn't read Twitter. Newspapers in their heyday were more influential on public discourse.
      - actualwitch 3y ago
        If you buy a phone in any place of this planet and then go to its app marketplace, you will likely see twitter as one of the most popular apps on it. I cannot seriously continue this conversation with someone who considers that to be same as some local city newspaper no one seen.

nebula8804 3y ago

We are seeing that with all the layoffs. Elon normalized treating engineers like garbage. Feels like only way for us to go back to the old mentality is for his methods to end up crashing and burning his enterprises. As it stands the opposite is happening.