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Nobody is claiming he didn’t tweet some rap lyrics in poor taste, and he’s apologized for it. At the same time, lyrics aren’t really serious threats — they were

Nobody is claiming he didn’t tweet some rap lyrics in poor taste, and he’s apologized for it. At the same time, lyrics aren’t really serious threats — they were even deemed inadmissible as evidence in criminal cases by AB59.

gowld 3y ago
Interesting that copyright infringement is a valid defense against accusations of criminal speech.
- shuckles 3y ago
  It’s fair use if you cite them to threaten someone new, right?
seadan83 3y ago
Context matters, the source of the lyrics were not cited, and the lyrics themselves are threatening (in their own context). The article mention that song escalated tensions and tupac was murdered a few months later. I believe this crosses the line of poor taste by quite a lot. Poor taste will leave someone disgruntled, but to have stalkers send letters wishing your death and that of your family, and sent to your home address! That feels to me to be so far beyond poor taste, that calling that strikes me as downplaying. If you had such a letter sent to your home, I don't think you would truly feel that it was all in poor taste.
- shuckles 3y ago
  If you are gasping at this abhorrently poor taste incident, I recommend you stay far, far away from city machine politics. And again, I am not convinced either way about the sender of the postcard.
  - seadan83 3y ago
    "gasping" maybe.. receiving genuine death threats causes that reaction. The line "this is not a threat" is meaningless. The sender has sent the message: - I agree & wish you & your family dead - I know where you live As far as I know, city machine politics stays short of DOX'ing and death threats.
maxbond 3y ago
> Nobody is claiming he didn’t tweet some rap lyrics That would be the implication of calling this a "false flag." A false flag is a military operation blamed on another nation; if this was a false flag, then someone else would have tweeted it from Tan's account, so that they could transmit this sentiment without accepting blame for it. Maybe you meant "opportunistic smear campaign" or something.
- shuckles 3y ago
  No I was referring to the postcard follow-ups as a false flag.
  - maxbond 3y ago
    Gotcha. My bad.

gowld 3y ago

Interesting that copyright infringement is a valid defense against accusations of criminal speech.

shuckles 3y ago
It’s fair use if you cite them to threaten someone new, right?

seadan83 3y ago

Context matters, the source of the lyrics were not cited, and the lyrics themselves are threatening (in their own context). The article mention that song escalated tensions and tupac was murdered a few months later. I believe this crosses the line of poor taste by quite a lot. Poor taste will leave someone disgruntled, but to have stalkers send letters wishing your death and that of your family, and sent to your home address! That feels to me to be so far beyond poor taste, that calling that strikes me as downplaying. If you had such a letter sent to your home, I don't think you would truly feel that it was all in poor taste.

shuckles 3y ago
If you are gasping at this abhorrently poor taste incident, I recommend you stay far, far away from city machine politics. And again, I am not convinced either way about the sender of the postcard.
- seadan83 3y ago
  "gasping" maybe.. receiving genuine death threats causes that reaction. The line "this is not a threat" is meaningless. The sender has sent the message: - I agree & wish you & your family dead - I know where you live As far as I know, city machine politics stays short of DOX'ing and death threats.

maxbond 3y ago

> Nobody is claiming he didn’t tweet some rap lyrics That would be the implication of calling this a "false flag." A false flag is a military operation blamed on another nation; if this was a false flag, then someone else would have tweeted it from Tan's account, so that they could transmit this sentiment without accepting blame for it. Maybe you meant "opportunistic smear campaign" or something.

shuckles 3y ago
No I was referring to the postcard follow-ups as a false flag.
- maxbond 3y ago
  Gotcha. My bad.