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> but did Figma even need to sell in the first place? It’s pretty clear Figma in 5-10 years could make photo and video editing products that outperform Adobe a

> but did Figma even need to sell in the first place? It’s pretty clear Figma in 5-10 years could make photo and video editing products that outperform Adobe and Adobe can’t even make one web product as good as Fireworks was that they killed so yeah no Figma has no need for Adobe. Figma has an outstanding engineering team you can tell just by using the app, Adobes dev team it’s questionable how much of Photoshop and AE they even understand how it works as they so rarely try and fix any of it and when they do they tend to break something. Kinda feel the Photoshop and AE codebases are probably like an ancient untranslated artifact to their current dev team.

PaulHoule 3y ago
I still use Photoshop because I know how to do a lot of things with it but I'd really like to have a similar app which is designed entirely around linear light. (It's not like the 1990s when I was always editing indexed color images) They are still keeping it relevant because of the generative AI features which I often use to touch up photos (remove a spot of grout from a brick wall, then add a row of bricks to center the pictures) I still use Photoshop to print things like https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110607460518784045 https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110607460518784045 (where I touched up the bricks) and have 99% control of printing photographic and non-photographic images (more than I can say for Lightroom) although I recently improved my workflow and now I have 100% control (specifically of margins) of printing the back side of my cards https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110662093661611559 https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110662093661611559 using a Python script and Epson's printing software. I used to think the neural noise reduction in Lightroom was pretty hot but when I was having trouble w/ shooting indoors Volleyball other photogs told me to try DxO and it was like getting a whole new camera. I like Premier and hypothetically I might want to make and edit a video but it never happens, so I suspect one of these days I am going to give up on Creative Cloud.
- jcheng 3y ago
  > designed entirely around linear light Can you say more about that? What is “linear light”?
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    Linear light is when you do the math right to represent how light interacts with the environment in terms of transmission, reflection, etc. Most GFX tools use some kind of color space with a curve such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB This is a practical answer to the problems of 8-bit technology where you would have terrible posterization in some values and also wasted bits in other values if you used linear light. sRGB is reflective of how the human eye works but not the physics of light. If you want to, say, average or subtract two images or rescale an image you should do it in linear light. The right thing to do is to do transformations with linear light with at least 16 bit depth but output whatever color space the display expects. Most people (like the creators of Photoshop) do calculations that would be correct in linear light in sRGB and are oblivious to the results being wrong. It drives me nuts because my photog friends think I am nuts to write my own (correct) Python code with Pillow meantime they process everything with tools like http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/ http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/ which makes everything look dark because the developers just didn’t think about color spaces.
- SSLy 3y ago
  > hypothetically I might want to make and edit a video … and you'll reach to Resolve like most sane human beings.

PaulHoule 3y ago

I still use Photoshop because I know how to do a lot of things with it but I'd really like to have a similar app which is designed entirely around linear light. (It's not like the 1990s when I was always editing indexed color images) They are still keeping it relevant because of the generative AI features which I often use to touch up photos (remove a spot of grout from a brick wall, then add a row of bricks to center the pictures) I still use Photoshop to print things like https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110607460518784045 https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110607460518784045 (where I touched up the bricks) and have 99% control of printing photographic and non-photographic images (more than I can say for Lightroom) although I recently improved my workflow and now I have 100% control (specifically of margins) of printing the back side of my cards https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110662093661611559 https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110662093661611559 using a Python script and Epson's printing software. I used to think the neural noise reduction in Lightroom was pretty hot but when I was having trouble w/ shooting indoors Volleyball other photogs told me to try DxO and it was like getting a whole new camera. I like Premier and hypothetically I might want to make and edit a video but it never happens, so I suspect one of these days I am going to give up on Creative Cloud.

jcheng 3y ago
> designed entirely around linear light Can you say more about that? What is “linear light”?
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  Linear light is when you do the math right to represent how light interacts with the environment in terms of transmission, reflection, etc. Most GFX tools use some kind of color space with a curve such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB This is a practical answer to the problems of 8-bit technology where you would have terrible posterization in some values and also wasted bits in other values if you used linear light. sRGB is reflective of how the human eye works but not the physics of light. If you want to, say, average or subtract two images or rescale an image you should do it in linear light. The right thing to do is to do transformations with linear light with at least 16 bit depth but output whatever color space the display expects. Most people (like the creators of Photoshop) do calculations that would be correct in linear light in sRGB and are oblivious to the results being wrong. It drives me nuts because my photog friends think I am nuts to write my own (correct) Python code with Pillow meantime they process everything with tools like http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/ http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/ which makes everything look dark because the developers just didn’t think about color spaces.
SSLy 3y ago
> hypothetically I might want to make and edit a video … and you'll reach to Resolve like most sane human beings.