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I’m in no way an introvert. Part of my day job until six months ago was flying around the country talking to people doing requirements analysis, supporting pre

I’m in no way an introvert. Part of my day job until six months ago was flying around the country talking to people doing requirements analysis, supporting pre-sales, training, the business dinners after work small talk etc and of course some development. But I also until last year “worked for a FAANG” remotely without having to leave my medium cost of living area and a year in, I was able to move to an even cheaper area with no state income tax where the local job market sucks for my specialty. It’s a big tourist area. As far as the company outsourcing somewhere cheaper, if after all of these years I’ve been in the industry all I can do is “codez real gud” and I’m that easily replaceable, I’ve done something remarkably wrong.

steveBK123 3y ago
Exactly, outsourcing success requires stakeholders and product actually writing down what they want, and the steps they want it done in, in verbose pedantic language and then staying on top of people who overlap for 1 hour per day at best to actually stick to that plan. If you have an org capable of doing that, amazing, sounds great.. I've not seen it once, anywhere, in 20 years. So given how real orgs actually work, the problem with the outsourcing model is - Good luck turning tasks around quickly, or changing directions on a dime, or course correcting devs who do most of their work while you are asleep. If companies really wanted to save money without all the pain, they'd hire nearshore US dev talent for 1/3 the cost of NYC/SF and eliminate most of those issues. But really for most businesses given the margins on software, dev costs end up being tolerable.
- foobarian 3y ago
  > devs who do most of their work while you are asleep See, this is where Latin America comes in! There are lots of excellent devs all over Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, etc.
  - steveBK123 3y ago
    Super, but most of the rest still stands.

steveBK123 3y ago

Exactly, outsourcing success requires stakeholders and product actually writing down what they want, and the steps they want it done in, in verbose pedantic language and then staying on top of people who overlap for 1 hour per day at best to actually stick to that plan. If you have an org capable of doing that, amazing, sounds great.. I've not seen it once, anywhere, in 20 years. So given how real orgs actually work, the problem with the outsourcing model is - Good luck turning tasks around quickly, or changing directions on a dime, or course correcting devs who do most of their work while you are asleep. If companies really wanted to save money without all the pain, they'd hire nearshore US dev talent for 1/3 the cost of NYC/SF and eliminate most of those issues. But really for most businesses given the margins on software, dev costs end up being tolerable.

foobarian 3y ago
> devs who do most of their work while you are asleep See, this is where Latin America comes in! There are lots of excellent devs all over Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, etc.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  Super, but most of the rest still stands.