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People like to argue against the golden rule, saying that if you are deranged, it gives you license to hurt others. First, this is an edge case. Second, it is o

People like to argue against the golden rule, saying that if you are deranged, it gives you license to hurt others. First, this is an edge case. Second, it is out of context. The golden rule was given by Jesus secondary to the command "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." If you follow both those commands, you'll only do good to your fellow man.

getsat 14y ago
The greatest commandment was two parts: what you said + "love your neighbor as yourself". The golden rule is kind of redundant if you follow greatest commandment. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22&version=NIV#en-NIV-23907 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22&v... This is the best chapter in the entire Bible IMO. It's funny how many Christian couples think they'll still be married in Heaven.
alecco 14y ago
Your comment is wrong in so many levels it isn't worth refuting. And you sound like a brainwashed individual who won't listen to reason, anyway.
alecco 14y ago
> People like to argue against the golden rule, saying that if you are deranged, it gives you license to hurt others. You are shifting the argument. That has nothing to do with my comment. Straw man fallacy. > The golden rule was given by Jesus secondary to the command "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." No, in the christian bible it says a man named Jesus gave a new commandment. The "Golden Rule" is a generalization made in more recent times to try to find a common ground across religions. And it's very vague as many religions are closer to what's named as the "Silver Rule". > If you follow both those commands, you'll only do good to your fellow man. That's not on the bible and even if it were, it's your dogma book. You provide me no proof it is that way. Not even a decent hypothesis.
- sophacles 14y ago
  Small problem: alleco: The golden rule has a serious problem of enabling sociopaths. lancefisher: People like to argue against the golden rule, saying that if you are deranged, it gives you license to hurt others. alleco: You are shifting the argument. That has nothing to do with my comment. Straw man fallacy. It isn't a straw man fallacy. It is a direct paraphrase of your statement. "enabling" and "giving license" are pretty much the same thing. As are forms of "sociopath" and "deranged (who will) hurt others" -- at least in common vernacular.
  - alecco 14y ago
    "The golden rule has a serious problem of enabling sociopaths" obviously means people following the golden rule helping indiscriminately are helping sociopaths. And sociopaths, by definition, do not follow the rule. Sociopaths thriving in society are very bad, obviously. "People like to argue against the golden rule, saying that if you are deranged, it gives you license to hurt others", this vague accusation first generalices all criticism of the golden rule as the same. Second it states something that has nothing to do with my coments. I did not claim "if you are deranged, [the golden rule] gives you license to hurt others'. I wouldn't be surprised if that was made up on the spot by lancefisher. Your points are hard-headed nonsense and a waste of time. Edit: minor typos
    - sophacles 14y ago
      "The golden rule has a serious problem of enabling sociopaths" obviously means people following the golden rule helping indiscriminately are helping sociopaths. And sociopaths, by definition, do not follow the rule. Sociopaths thriving in society are very bad, obviously. Your claim of obviously is not true because you say so. You may have meant it the way you claim, but an equally valid interpretation of the term enabling is: The golden rule allows sociopaths to justify behavior by claiming "I expect to be treated the way I am treating you". In a society that puts the golden rule at the top of social norms, this allows the sociopaths to do their thing while within the guidelines. Allowing something to be justified is in fact enabling it. This is why the term for codependent family who make excuses for their addict loved ones and who clean up the addict's messes is enabler. It is important to note when there are multiple subtly different ways of defining words, it can lead to confusion when you think you are being clear.
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getsat 14y ago

The greatest commandment was two parts: what you said + "love your neighbor as yourself". The golden rule is kind of redundant if you follow greatest commandment. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22&version=NIV#en-NIV-23907 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22&v... This is the best chapter in the entire Bible IMO. It's funny how many Christian couples think they'll still be married in Heaven.

alecco 14y ago

Your comment is wrong in so many levels it isn't worth refuting. And you sound like a brainwashed individual who won't listen to reason, anyway.

alecco 14y ago

> People like to argue against the golden rule, saying that if you are deranged, it gives you license to hurt others. You are shifting the argument. That has nothing to do with my comment. Straw man fallacy. > The golden rule was given by Jesus secondary to the command "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." No, in the christian bible it says a man named Jesus gave a new commandment. The "Golden Rule" is a generalization made in more recent times to try to find a common ground across religions. And it's very vague as many religions are closer to what's named as the "Silver Rule". > If you follow both those commands, you'll only do good to your fellow man. That's not on the bible and even if it were, it's your dogma book. You provide me no proof it is that way. Not even a decent hypothesis.

sophacles 14y ago
Small problem: alleco: The golden rule has a serious problem of enabling sociopaths. lancefisher: People like to argue against the golden rule, saying that if you are deranged, it gives you license to hurt others. alleco: You are shifting the argument. That has nothing to do with my comment. Straw man fallacy. It isn't a straw man fallacy. It is a direct paraphrase of your statement. "enabling" and "giving license" are pretty much the same thing. As are forms of "sociopath" and "deranged (who will) hurt others" -- at least in common vernacular.
- alecco 14y ago
  "The golden rule has a serious problem of enabling sociopaths" obviously means people following the golden rule helping indiscriminately are helping sociopaths. And sociopaths, by definition, do not follow the rule. Sociopaths thriving in society are very bad, obviously. "People like to argue against the golden rule, saying that if you are deranged, it gives you license to hurt others", this vague accusation first generalices all criticism of the golden rule as the same. Second it states something that has nothing to do with my coments. I did not claim "if you are deranged, [the golden rule] gives you license to hurt others'. I wouldn't be surprised if that was made up on the spot by lancefisher. Your points are hard-headed nonsense and a waste of time. Edit: minor typos
  - sophacles 14y ago
    "The golden rule has a serious problem of enabling sociopaths" obviously means people following the golden rule helping indiscriminately are helping sociopaths. And sociopaths, by definition, do not follow the rule. Sociopaths thriving in society are very bad, obviously. Your claim of obviously is not true because you say so. You may have meant it the way you claim, but an equally valid interpretation of the term enabling is: The golden rule allows sociopaths to justify behavior by claiming "I expect to be treated the way I am treating you". In a society that puts the golden rule at the top of social norms, this allows the sociopaths to do their thing while within the guidelines. Allowing something to be justified is in fact enabling it. This is why the term for codependent family who make excuses for their addict loved ones and who clean up the addict's messes is enabler. It is important to note when there are multiple subtly different ways of defining words, it can lead to confusion when you think you are being clear.

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