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The statement, although true, is missing nuance. For example, a balanced diet is ambiguous. Does a balanced diet include fast food? How much ultra-processed fo

The statement, although true, is missing nuance. For example, a balanced diet is ambiguous. Does a balanced diet include fast food? How much ultra-processed food? How many carbs? Do we need to change the above answers with age or when someone is diabetic or has high blood pressure? Thus, even though almost everyone will agree with the balanced diet statement from the outset, what constitutes a balanced diet will yield a diversity of answers.

wazoox 3y ago
A sane diet includes exactly zero ultra processed food, I think the data is pretty clear now.
sigmoid10 3y ago
>Does a balanced diet include fast food? How much ultra-processed food? There seems to be some confusion here. "Balanced" means balanced in terms of micro and macro-nutrients that the body needs. Not balanced in the ratios of ultra-processed junk food and healthy food.
- Attummm 3y ago
  That was my point on ambiguity, leads to confusion. Your interpretation is yours but how would your interpretation account for research on ultra processed food. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-are-ultra-processed-foods-and-are-they-bad-for-our-health-2020010918605 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-are-ultra-processed...
  - sigmoid10 3y ago
    That was not the question. Your question was: "Does a balanced diet include fast food?" The answer to that is simple: No. A balanced diet is a healthy mix of essential nutrients. Highly processes foods rich in fat or sugar are not part of it [1]. Most advisories merely acknowledge that a large part of the population doesn't want to stop eating this stuff completely. But the real goal should always be zero. [1] https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-guidelines-and-food-labels/the-eatwell-guide/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-guidelines-and-fo...
    - Attummm 3y ago
      Your link doesnt have any mention of processed food. Also it starts with that it's not to goal to adhere 100% and its not needed. As such it does contain fastfood and ultra processed food. As being part of healthy diet. Thus leading to my initial point, a balanced and healthy diet are too ambiguous. > The Eatwell Guide shows how much of what we eat overall should come from each food group to achieve a healthy, balanced diet. > You do not need to achieve this balance with every meal, but try to get the balance right over a day or even a week.
      - sigmoid10 3y ago
        >Your link doesnt have any mention of processed food. It does if you know what you are looking for. "Highly processed" is not strictly well defined, but commonly understood as foods with large amounts of added salt, fat and sugar. That's exactly the category of food they talk about in the article as unnecessary for our diet and which should be consumed as little as possible.
    - DanBC 3y ago
      > Your question was: "Does a balanced diet include fast food?" > The answer to that is simple: No Registered healthcare professionals - dietitians - disagree with you, and do so pretty strongly.
      - sigmoid10 3y ago
        What are you talking about? The literal NHS disagrees with your statement.
sod 3y ago
IMHO the base framework can and must be simple and unnuanced and easy to remember: * eat as little and never drink: sugar, alcohol * seek: stuff that feeds you and your gut biome and doesn't cause diarrhea (aka avoid ultra-processed food) * bonus: at least once a week: fish, salad, nuts, fruits Sure, thats not nuanced. But the message is simple: If you eat/drink sugar, alcohol or processed foods, then your body will degrade faster and your biological organism will run on pain, inflammation and fatigue.
- Attummm 3y ago
  Those points you have made are according to the latest science. But is that knowledge available for everyone?
- greenie_beans 3y ago
  > bonus: at least once a week: fish, salad, nuts, fruits i thought you want to eat nuts and fruits daily?
greenie_beans 3y ago
> Does a balanced diet include fast food? How much ultra-processed food? omg shut up, this sort of contrarian semantic shit doesn't make you look smart like you intend. everybody knows that fast food isn't a good component of diet. everybody knows how they can improve their very unique and individualized diet. it's like telling a smoker that cigarettes are bad for you.
- Attummm 3y ago
  Lets keep it civil, food and nutrition are one of my hobbies next to software. As such I'm quite interested in what you would describe as balanced diet. Some call a balanced diet 80% healthy and 20% unhealthy. For example the link below is saying that fastfood could be part of a healthy diet. https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/fast_food_can_be_healthy https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/fast_food_can_be_healthy Edit: Healthy/balanced those terms are quite loaded are not specified as such we could both agree that healthy and balanced diet is good. Yet both us could have a wildy different interpretations on what that would entail. The goal was to start a discussion and get different viewpoints. And they could all be true.
  - greenie_beans 3y ago
    i encourage you to read that article with a more critical mindset.

wazoox 3y ago

A sane diet includes exactly zero ultra processed food, I think the data is pretty clear now.

sigmoid10 3y ago

>Does a balanced diet include fast food? How much ultra-processed food? There seems to be some confusion here. "Balanced" means balanced in terms of micro and macro-nutrients that the body needs. Not balanced in the ratios of ultra-processed junk food and healthy food.

Attummm 3y ago
That was my point on ambiguity, leads to confusion. Your interpretation is yours but how would your interpretation account for research on ultra processed food. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-are-ultra-processed-foods-and-are-they-bad-for-our-health-2020010918605 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-are-ultra-processed...
- sigmoid10 3y ago
  That was not the question. Your question was: "Does a balanced diet include fast food?" The answer to that is simple: No. A balanced diet is a healthy mix of essential nutrients. Highly processes foods rich in fat or sugar are not part of it [1]. Most advisories merely acknowledge that a large part of the population doesn't want to stop eating this stuff completely. But the real goal should always be zero. [1] https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-guidelines-and-food-labels/the-eatwell-guide/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-guidelines-and-fo...
  - Attummm 3y ago
    Your link doesnt have any mention of processed food. Also it starts with that it's not to goal to adhere 100% and its not needed. As such it does contain fastfood and ultra processed food. As being part of healthy diet. Thus leading to my initial point, a balanced and healthy diet are too ambiguous. > The Eatwell Guide shows how much of what we eat overall should come from each food group to achieve a healthy, balanced diet. > You do not need to achieve this balance with every meal, but try to get the balance right over a day or even a week.
    - sigmoid10 3y ago
      >Your link doesnt have any mention of processed food. It does if you know what you are looking for. "Highly processed" is not strictly well defined, but commonly understood as foods with large amounts of added salt, fat and sugar. That's exactly the category of food they talk about in the article as unnecessary for our diet and which should be consumed as little as possible.
  - DanBC 3y ago
    > Your question was: "Does a balanced diet include fast food?" > The answer to that is simple: No Registered healthcare professionals - dietitians - disagree with you, and do so pretty strongly.
    - sigmoid10 3y ago
      What are you talking about? The literal NHS disagrees with your statement.

sod 3y ago

IMHO the base framework can and must be simple and unnuanced and easy to remember: * eat as little and never drink: sugar, alcohol * seek: stuff that feeds you and your gut biome and doesn't cause diarrhea (aka avoid ultra-processed food) * bonus: at least once a week: fish, salad, nuts, fruits Sure, thats not nuanced. But the message is simple: If you eat/drink sugar, alcohol or processed foods, then your body will degrade faster and your biological organism will run on pain, inflammation and fatigue.

Attummm 3y ago
Those points you have made are according to the latest science. But is that knowledge available for everyone?
greenie_beans 3y ago
> bonus: at least once a week: fish, salad, nuts, fruits i thought you want to eat nuts and fruits daily?

greenie_beans 3y ago

> Does a balanced diet include fast food? How much ultra-processed food? omg shut up, this sort of contrarian semantic shit doesn't make you look smart like you intend. everybody knows that fast food isn't a good component of diet. everybody knows how they can improve their very unique and individualized diet. it's like telling a smoker that cigarettes are bad for you.

Attummm 3y ago
Lets keep it civil, food and nutrition are one of my hobbies next to software. As such I'm quite interested in what you would describe as balanced diet. Some call a balanced diet 80% healthy and 20% unhealthy. For example the link below is saying that fastfood could be part of a healthy diet. https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/fast_food_can_be_healthy https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/fast_food_can_be_healthy Edit: Healthy/balanced those terms are quite loaded are not specified as such we could both agree that healthy and balanced diet is good. Yet both us could have a wildy different interpretations on what that would entail. The goal was to start a discussion and get different viewpoints. And they could all be true.
- greenie_beans 3y ago
  i encourage you to read that article with a more critical mindset.