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> Australia had a manhunt over 3 teenagers who escaped the quarantine camp which made international news. Thanks, I didn't hear about that. > Over what is ess

> Australia had a manhunt over 3 teenagers who escaped the quarantine camp which made international news. Thanks, I didn't hear about that. > Over what is essentially a flu, which we knew from the data at the time. Maybe 1000 people had prior exposure to a SARS clade coranavirus. And if you think they are essentially the same you certainly haven't been reading the news and analysis that I have. E.g. https://www.webmd.com/covid/news/20230217/covid-versus-flu-which-is-deadlier https://www.webmd.com/covid/news/20230217/covid-versus-flu-w... > Kills as much, and the same people, what gives? In the US, over the last 30 years approximately the same number of people have died "with" COVID as have died "with" the flu. COVID's only been around 1/10th the time. > I also remember CNN not touching the lab-leak "because Trump" and with a straight face they claim it's his fault they're not doing their jobs and getting to the truth. Yes, CNN is biased up the wazoo. But at that point it rationally didn't matter the cause, but nipping this in the bud the best we could. The cause, and even lists of potential causes, are important to prevent future patient zeroes. And given all of the crap that's happened with wildlife to human transmission in the past (SARS 1, MERS, metapneumovirus, bird flu, swine flu, mpox, hemorrhagic viruses) there are other important avenues of transmission to deal with in addition to safe laboratory and sample collection practices. > I remember press conferences telling vaccinated people not to hug their unvaccinated loved ones. Why not when it's 100%, 95%, 90%, kind of%, maybe% effective? Injected vaccination (getting a shot into your muscle) was only really going to help with duration of symptoms (potentially shutting COVID down when it's just the sniffles, if you're lucky). It's much worse at preventing transmission than mucosal vaccination is. If you want to protect others, wear a mask. If you want to protect yourself, a quality mask is better, but a vaccine is okay. > and there's a reason it just disappeared almost overnight. Yeah, I was really pissed when the California government dropped both masking and social distancing at the same time, just in time for Delta to hit, once the first vaccines had been out for ~ 3 months. I'm also pissed at the wishy-washyness of talking heads when asked whether masks are recommended again around the holiday season. Well fitting and well used masks are superior to vaccination. If you're willing to use them, then use them! If you're only willing to use them when someone else says it's a good idea...I just really don't get it.

defrost 3y ago
> Australia had a manhunt over 3 teenagers who escaped the quarantine camp Various Australian states isolated from each other, Australia as a whole isolated from the world - anybody that chose to travel across the international borders or across the particular state borders knew in advance they would have to isolate for 10 to 14 days. The vast majority of Australian citizens had no issue with isolation and saw it as neccesary to prevent worse outbreaks (which it did) a large proportion of isolation was self isolation at home, or in hotels. "The quarentine camp" wasn't where three teenagers "escaped from" (where "escape" == left when they shouldn't have (no evading armed guards after scaling barbed wire topped walls with search lights)) it was a facility set up as an airlock for international travel - dongas (transportables) in the outback and despite looking a bit grim was entirely comfortable for anyone used to FiFo (Fly In | Fly Out) work (ie. many Australians) - I stayed there twice having chosen to travel overseas for work. There were a lot of youtube | social media supercuts of horrific conditions in Australia put together by people that didn't like the measures taken - these were pretty much all highly selective presentations with tight shots of relatively small groups of protesters and some Olympic level whinging.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  Despite thinking that those were generally good ideas, I'd still call that a camp.
  - defrost 3y ago
    A couple of tents is a camp. More so if there's a fire and a bit of a sing a long. The implication being pressed in social media by anti-vaxxers was that it was equivilent to a Boer War internment camp, a German work camp, a Nazi death camp, etc. That was, of course, just silly.
    - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
      Sure. Mandatory quarantine is still serious business though, and deserves to be seen as such. Two weeks can be a long time, even over a life time. Some of these camps also facilitated spread among the denizens (particularly the ones set up in hotels). That's worth remembering.

defrost 3y ago

> Australia had a manhunt over 3 teenagers who escaped the quarantine camp Various Australian states isolated from each other, Australia as a whole isolated from the world - anybody that chose to travel across the international borders or across the particular state borders knew in advance they would have to isolate for 10 to 14 days. The vast majority of Australian citizens had no issue with isolation and saw it as neccesary to prevent worse outbreaks (which it did) a large proportion of isolation was self isolation at home, or in hotels. "The quarentine camp" wasn't where three teenagers "escaped from" (where "escape" == left when they shouldn't have (no evading armed guards after scaling barbed wire topped walls with search lights)) it was a facility set up as an airlock for international travel - dongas (transportables) in the outback and despite looking a bit grim was entirely comfortable for anyone used to FiFo (Fly In | Fly Out) work (ie. many Australians) - I stayed there twice having chosen to travel overseas for work. There were a lot of youtube | social media supercuts of horrific conditions in Australia put together by people that didn't like the measures taken - these were pretty much all highly selective presentations with tight shots of relatively small groups of protesters and some Olympic level whinging.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
Despite thinking that those were generally good ideas, I'd still call that a camp.
- defrost 3y ago
  A couple of tents is a camp. More so if there's a fire and a bit of a sing a long. The implication being pressed in social media by anti-vaxxers was that it was equivilent to a Boer War internment camp, a German work camp, a Nazi death camp, etc. That was, of course, just silly.
  - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
    Sure. Mandatory quarantine is still serious business though, and deserves to be seen as such. Two weeks can be a long time, even over a life time. Some of these camps also facilitated spread among the denizens (particularly the ones set up in hotels). That's worth remembering.