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Did you make a mistake in your comparison link? Because I've been looking at it for a few minutes now and I don't get it. It doesn't support your contention th

Did you make a mistake in your comparison link? Because I've been looking at it for a few minutes now and I don't get it. It doesn't support your contention that Intel was making comparable chips at the time to the M1, I'll say that at the least.

timschmidt 3y ago
I guess we're reading different graphs. The one I'm seeing shows Intel producing 70% of the performance with 35% of the power of an M1. That's... checks math... better performance per watt, and lower overall power consumption. If you want more performance, you are free to step up to a 15W version which outperforms the M1 at 70% of it's TDP.
- whynotminot 3y ago
  I think I have a better sense of some of the misunderstanding here. I think you're taking Intel's TDP figures as honest and straightforward, when they really truly aren't. Anandtech has talked about some of Intel's TDP shenanigans before, even for Tiger Lake: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review-deep-dive-core-11th-gen/5 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review...
  - timschmidt 3y ago
    I wouldn't call them shenanigans. At least Intel publishes numbers (Apple does not). There are simply a lot of power states Intel CPUs are capable of engaging, and many configuration options about when and under what circumstances to do so. Much of this is configurable by the OEM and is not hard-set by Intel, or even under Intel's control after the processor leaves the fab. The Anandtech article seems to indicate that it's perfectly possible to run this Intel CPU within the advertised 7W TDP, and that it can also be allowed to turbo up to 50W, which I'm sure most OEMs enable. My favorite OEMs provide the knobs to adjust these features.
    - whynotminot 3y ago
      So you’re aware of this Intel TDP chicanery but trying to say with a straight face that these chips achieve similar performance and efficiency to the M1. I think that’s pretty disingenuous.
      - timschmidt 3y ago
        Again, there's not chicanery going on. You asked for examples of chips Intel produced which were suitable for laptops as you claimed they produced none. I provided one.

timschmidt 3y ago

I guess we're reading different graphs. The one I'm seeing shows Intel producing 70% of the performance with 35% of the power of an M1. That's... checks math... better performance per watt, and lower overall power consumption. If you want more performance, you are free to step up to a 15W version which outperforms the M1 at 70% of it's TDP.

whynotminot 3y ago
I think I have a better sense of some of the misunderstanding here. I think you're taking Intel's TDP figures as honest and straightforward, when they really truly aren't. Anandtech has talked about some of Intel's TDP shenanigans before, even for Tiger Lake: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review-deep-dive-core-11th-gen/5 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review...
- timschmidt 3y ago
  I wouldn't call them shenanigans. At least Intel publishes numbers (Apple does not). There are simply a lot of power states Intel CPUs are capable of engaging, and many configuration options about when and under what circumstances to do so. Much of this is configurable by the OEM and is not hard-set by Intel, or even under Intel's control after the processor leaves the fab. The Anandtech article seems to indicate that it's perfectly possible to run this Intel CPU within the advertised 7W TDP, and that it can also be allowed to turbo up to 50W, which I'm sure most OEMs enable. My favorite OEMs provide the knobs to adjust these features.
  - whynotminot 3y ago
    So you’re aware of this Intel TDP chicanery but trying to say with a straight face that these chips achieve similar performance and efficiency to the M1. I think that’s pretty disingenuous.
    - timschmidt 3y ago
      Again, there's not chicanery going on. You asked for examples of chips Intel produced which were suitable for laptops as you claimed they produced none. I provided one.