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Intel stopped making good chips for the things Apple cared about: efficient, cool designs that can run well with great battery life in attractive consumer produ
by whynotminot 3y ago
Intel stopped making good chips for the things Apple cared about: efficient, cool designs that can run well with great battery life in attractive consumer products.
Apple "sandbagging" was them desperately trying to get a poor Intel product to work in laptops they wanted to be thin and light.
Even today though their designs haven't really changed all that much--in fact the MacBook Air is actually just as thin and now even completely fan-less. It just has a chip in it that doesn't suck.
- timschmidt 3y agoIntel makes plenty of chips in the 15W and even 5W envelopes to this day. MSI just built a gaming handheld with one.
- whynotminot 3y agoAt those envelopes they are nowhere near as good as what Apple makes. Even if Intel makes a thing that doesn't mean it's actually any good. I had some of those Intel ULV parts back in the day. They sucked.
- timschmidt 3y agoI'm not sure what you had back in the day, but even Intel's E cores these days are spritely. Gone are the days of slow Atom cores. Pretty sure an equivalently clocked Intel E core of today beats the fastest Intel core ever shipped in an Apple product.
- whynotminot 3y agoNeither here nor there--when Apple needed Intel to ship a decent, performant core that didn't overheat and chew through battery life, they could not. Apple switched to their own silicon, and life for their customers has radically improved. Maybe Intel has a great E Core now. Good for them if they do.
- timschmidt 3y agoIt sounds like Apple just wanted to vertically integrate, to me. Which is a fine reason to do something. But doesn't require misrepresenting competitors or constructing a past which never happened. You do you though.
- evilduck 3y agoIntel laptops cant even sleep anymore. I have a 11th Gen Intel space heater that invalidates every claim you've made in this thread. People aren't stupid, we've owned these shitty Intel products for years, you're fooling nobody.
- jujube3 3y agoYeah, this is ridiculous. This guy is trying to claim both the Intel has good power consumption numbers, and that Apple should have added more fans to their Intel laptops. Has Intel discovered the secret of creating heat without using energy? Because according to the laws of physics I was taught, the need to festoon your computer with numerous fans means that... you're dissipating tons of energy.
- orangecat 3y agoIt was Apple's decision to put an 8-core i9 in an MBP chassis that was utterly incapable of dealing with the heat. Yes, the M1 is far more efficient and Apple deserves a lot of credit for it, but their last Intel laptops were much worse than they needed to be.
- whynotminot 3y agoYou can definitely point out some processor decisions that seemed poor in hindsight, but the fact is nothing in Intel's lineup at the time was any good for a laptop. Maybe they were worse than they needed to be, but the best they could have been with Intel would have still left so much to be desired.
- timschmidt 3y ago> but the fact is nothing in Intel's lineup at the time was any good for a laptop. Simply false brand-oriented thinking.
- whynotminot 3y agoWhy so defensive about Intel? I think you're the one doing the brand-oriented thinking here.
- timschmidt 3y ago> nothing in Intel's lineup at the time was any good for a laptop. You leave no room for nuance here, friend. And somehow I doubt you're familiar with every single one of Intel's tens of thousands of SKUs over decades. Intel has made a lot of CPUs. They're in lots of laptops. You might consider your wording if you're not trying to be corrected.
- whynotminot 3y agoPlease correct me then. I'm willing to learn about the Intel laptop chip that Apple could have used to achieve M1 performance and efficiency at the time they switched. You're right that I am not familiar with every one of Intel's SKUs they produced at the time.