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I think it's a fantastic ship to smuggle drugs and weapons, so every high profile crime organisation on the planet will desire one, maybe yours, gratis ... admi

I think it's a fantastic ship to smuggle drugs and weapons, so every high profile crime organisation on the planet will desire one, maybe yours, gratis ... admitting they can really deliver the ships without going out of business.

twism 3y ago
Yup ... it's not lost on folks where the original design came about
- twism 3y ago
  Correction: this one actually goes to 250m depth. The one I was referencing just goes beyond the surface
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    This one doesn't go anywhere, that's just a number on a web page. It sounds impressive but not so impressive that it is unbelievable, which is good for the business of schlepping NFTs.
sublinear 3y ago
Smuggling will always be a job for those low on the totem pole. It's dangerous and needs to be inconspicuous. No, this ship is meant for crazy parties and expeditions. Amusingly, just because it may happen to contain a ton of drugs for their personal consumption doesn't mean they're trying to smuggle anything.
- maxbond 3y ago
  It can simultaneously be true that smuggling is performed by people deemed expendable, and that the kingpins behind them might purchase an extravagant vessel made for partying if they think it will improve the rate at which they successfully smuggle their illegal goods. If you bring a submarine to market, intelligence agencies and smugglers will absolutely be interested in it. That said, this is a submersible. If I understand correctly, that means it doesn't operate independently, but in tandem with a conventional vessel. So that may be far less useful.
- lp4vn 3y ago
  Most of the ocean is dull and there is no much of a point in partying in the darkness of the oceanic waters. I read that a typical load in a narcosub was worth about 100 million dollars and a narcosub itself costs 2 million dollars. Two narcotrips will not only pay for the submarine but also make a huge profit, your idea that smuggling is for those low on the totem pole and that it has to be dangerous is something that you invented.
  - ok_dad 3y ago
    The boats they use for this smuggling are the least seaworthy vessels I think I’ve had the pleasure to experience. We caught one go-fast because all four engines died and it was sinking, so they radioed for our help since we were already chasing them. These were very unsafe boats. The dudes onboard are not very important, their qualifications were they had been fishermen before and had families to hold over them to ensure the drugs got to the destination.
    - lp4vn 3y ago
      Do you work in the Coast Guard? I think that the future for the drug smuggling is computer controlled submarines, and I'm not even talking about AI. I think drug producers will pre-program a route for a submarine that will autonomously navigate until the destination where it will be picked by a receptor. I read that it's extremely hard to spot submarines, I can only imagine the kind of things that will be smuggled once there are functional submarines of the size of a big fish.
      - ok_dad 3y ago
        Navy, we were technically under coast guard command during interdictions though. It was also ten years ago or more so they’ve probably upped their game by now on both sides. I don’t know about automated subs though, as three guys in a shitty boat can’t really be beat on price. An automated boat would be easier to catch if it was spotted but I suppose you could also put some trap on it to sink it fast when it’s boarded. We were only able to capture one semi submersible because they are very easy to scuttle.
primitivesuave 3y ago
Check out narco submarines - they have people in the jungles of Columbia building submarines that they pack with tons of cocaine (literally), which are discarded after a single ocean crossing. In general, it seems to be more economical to ship illicit materials with cheap/disposable vessels and vulnerable/impoverished people, rather than risking an expensive yacht to government seizure.
- propmaster 3y ago
  In fact, the point I was trying to illustrate is that if they steal your fancy luxury submarine is even less expensive, it's free, gratis, 100% discount. Do you really want a ship that it's seen as disposable delivery system by every single organised crime entity on the globe ?
  - ok_dad 3y ago
    You don’t want this type of sub for drug smuggling, I chased the smugglers and this massive monster will definitely be harder to operate and disguise than what they use currently.
    - z_ack 3y ago
      Following your reasoning an airplane can't be hijacked because it's difficult to operate: in reality you only need a gun to operate anything, in right circumstances.
      - ok_dad 3y ago
        You misunderstand how many people are necessary to operate a sub at this scale, with all the machinery onboard, for weeks at a time. It’s on the order of a dozen rather than two or three for the current narco boats. Also, it would be way way easier for us to track this sub versus what’s out there today. It’s way louder, I guarantee. I don’t know about airplanes, but I’m a SWO qualified former naval officer that was onboard a sub hunting platform that we used to track narco boats and subs in different deployments, so I can tell you about ships and a little about subs since they share many similarities. I guarantee this type of sub isn’t used by narcos.

twism 3y ago

Yup ... it's not lost on folks where the original design came about

twism 3y ago
Correction: this one actually goes to 250m depth. The one I was referencing just goes beyond the surface
- jacquesm 3y ago
  This one doesn't go anywhere, that's just a number on a web page. It sounds impressive but not so impressive that it is unbelievable, which is good for the business of schlepping NFTs.

sublinear 3y ago

Smuggling will always be a job for those low on the totem pole. It's dangerous and needs to be inconspicuous. No, this ship is meant for crazy parties and expeditions. Amusingly, just because it may happen to contain a ton of drugs for their personal consumption doesn't mean they're trying to smuggle anything.

maxbond 3y ago
It can simultaneously be true that smuggling is performed by people deemed expendable, and that the kingpins behind them might purchase an extravagant vessel made for partying if they think it will improve the rate at which they successfully smuggle their illegal goods. If you bring a submarine to market, intelligence agencies and smugglers will absolutely be interested in it. That said, this is a submersible. If I understand correctly, that means it doesn't operate independently, but in tandem with a conventional vessel. So that may be far less useful.
lp4vn 3y ago
Most of the ocean is dull and there is no much of a point in partying in the darkness of the oceanic waters. I read that a typical load in a narcosub was worth about 100 million dollars and a narcosub itself costs 2 million dollars. Two narcotrips will not only pay for the submarine but also make a huge profit, your idea that smuggling is for those low on the totem pole and that it has to be dangerous is something that you invented.
- ok_dad 3y ago
  The boats they use for this smuggling are the least seaworthy vessels I think I’ve had the pleasure to experience. We caught one go-fast because all four engines died and it was sinking, so they radioed for our help since we were already chasing them. These were very unsafe boats. The dudes onboard are not very important, their qualifications were they had been fishermen before and had families to hold over them to ensure the drugs got to the destination.
  - lp4vn 3y ago
    Do you work in the Coast Guard? I think that the future for the drug smuggling is computer controlled submarines, and I'm not even talking about AI. I think drug producers will pre-program a route for a submarine that will autonomously navigate until the destination where it will be picked by a receptor. I read that it's extremely hard to spot submarines, I can only imagine the kind of things that will be smuggled once there are functional submarines of the size of a big fish.
    - ok_dad 3y ago
      Navy, we were technically under coast guard command during interdictions though. It was also ten years ago or more so they’ve probably upped their game by now on both sides. I don’t know about automated subs though, as three guys in a shitty boat can’t really be beat on price. An automated boat would be easier to catch if it was spotted but I suppose you could also put some trap on it to sink it fast when it’s boarded. We were only able to capture one semi submersible because they are very easy to scuttle.

primitivesuave 3y ago

Check out narco submarines - they have people in the jungles of Columbia building submarines that they pack with tons of cocaine (literally), which are discarded after a single ocean crossing. In general, it seems to be more economical to ship illicit materials with cheap/disposable vessels and vulnerable/impoverished people, rather than risking an expensive yacht to government seizure.

propmaster 3y ago
In fact, the point I was trying to illustrate is that if they steal your fancy luxury submarine is even less expensive, it's free, gratis, 100% discount. Do you really want a ship that it's seen as disposable delivery system by every single organised crime entity on the globe ?
- ok_dad 3y ago
  You don’t want this type of sub for drug smuggling, I chased the smugglers and this massive monster will definitely be harder to operate and disguise than what they use currently.
  - z_ack 3y ago
    Following your reasoning an airplane can't be hijacked because it's difficult to operate: in reality you only need a gun to operate anything, in right circumstances.
    - ok_dad 3y ago
      You misunderstand how many people are necessary to operate a sub at this scale, with all the machinery onboard, for weeks at a time. It’s on the order of a dozen rather than two or three for the current narco boats. Also, it would be way way easier for us to track this sub versus what’s out there today. It’s way louder, I guarantee. I don’t know about airplanes, but I’m a SWO qualified former naval officer that was onboard a sub hunting platform that we used to track narco boats and subs in different deployments, so I can tell you about ships and a little about subs since they share many similarities. I guarantee this type of sub isn’t used by narcos.