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In my view, the Oracle v. Google case may be headed in the same direction. Judge Alsup has let the case go to the jury to determine whether the "structure, seq
by grellas 14y ago
In my view, the Oracle v. Google case may be headed in the same direction.
Judge Alsup has let the case go to the jury to determine whether the "structure, sequence and organization" (SSO) of the Android platform infringes either the compilable code or the documentation of 37 of the 166 total API packages constituting a part of the Java platform. But the judge has reserved for his exclusive determination, after a verdict is entered, whether such SSO is even protectible under U.S. copyright law. In instructing the jury, the judge merely told the jurors to assume for purposes of their deliberations that the SSO was protectible under copyright and to decide the case based on that assumption. This means that, if Oracle loses on the verdict, its copyright case is dead. If it wins, then and only then will the judge need to address the ultimate legal question of whether the SSO can be protected by copyright at all. If the case does reach that point, he will be able to decide the question based on a full presentation of evidence by both parties and that in turn will make any decision he renders far less vulnerable to being overturned on appeal.
I am not saying that the judge will necessarily support Google in its claim that APIs should not be covered by copyright. I do say that Judge Alsup is nobody’s fool and is playing this smart, letting Oracle play out its case in full and only then stepping in to say whether its case is even legally supportable.
Of course, the judge could also have rendered a definitive ruling one way or the other in the pretrial phase. But there are some areas of law where the principles are pretty clearly articulated but get knotty in their application and this is one of them. Yes, U.S. copyright law, like EU law, specifies that something that is functional or a system or a method of operation, etc. cannot be protected by copyright. But what exactly does that mean in the factual context of APIs and programming languages? Maybe those extremely well-versed in what APIs are and what they do can answer that clearly for others who are also well-versed. But in a court of law, a lot can get lost in translation and, in the absence of a clear factual record, skilled lawyers have all sorts of room to confuse and confound the issues as they apply abstract legal rules to a murky factual record. Because of this, the judge is letting it play out through a full jury verdict while reserving the right to rule definitively on the issue until after the verdict.
In this context, Oracle has plenty of reason to be nervous. If it loses before the jury, it loses; if it wins, it still may lose. And, as for the case being a bad precedent, that remains to be seen depending on how the judge and any appeals court may ultimately rule on this issue. For the moment, U.S. law remains sane on this point and nothing bad has happened as yet apart from an overbearing company attempting to pour vast resources in hopes of gaining short-term advantage to the long-term detriment of the developer community.
- soupboy 14y agoDoes this mean that if Oracle loses the case, the question of whether APIs are copyrightable will not be answered in this case? Or will the judge still give a ruling on that once the verdict is entered? The former being a big win for Google only, the latter being a big win for the industry.
- tzs 14y agoNote also that even if Alsup decides that APIs are not copyrightable, and knows now that this will be his decision, he needs to consider that a higher court may disagree. If that happens, and the case comes back to him, and he had not sent infringement to the jury in this trial, he'd have to seat a new jury and conduct a new trial just on infringement. Yuck. By letting the jury consider the factual aspects now, Alsup is ensuring that one trial will be sufficient. This saves a lot of time and effort, at the slight cost of having the present jury consider something that may turn out moot.
- azakai 14y ago> This means that, if Oracle loses on the verdict, its copcyright case is dead. If it wins, then and only then will the judge need to address the ultimate legal question of whether the SSO can be protected by copyright at all. Isn't this bizarre though? I'm not a lawyer so I guess I am ignorant of how US courts work, but shouldn't it be clear whether there is even a relevant law for something before a jury is asked to make the effort of figuring out if a law applies in a particular case? It won't be just a matter of SSO is copyrightable yes/no, it will be more complicated. But the jury won't hear any of that before saying yes or no. Shouldn't what the law is be first determined, and only then whether it applies to a particular case?
- Natsu 14y agoIn the case where APIs are not protected, it doesn't matter what the jury thinks, there was nothing for Google to infringe. So there's no need to ask the jury about that and you can have them just assume that APIs are protected, because that's the only time when their verdict will matter.