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> I've heard each Jag costs ~$250k fully loaded They said it costs as much as a “moderately equipped S-Class” 3-4 years ago. At the time, that would be ~$140k.

by ra7 3y ago

> I've heard each Jag costs ~$250k fully loaded They said it costs as much as a “moderately equipped S-Class” 3-4 years ago. At the time, that would be ~$140k. That includes the base car cost, sensor hardware, compute, redundant vehicle systems and their integration. So not quite $250k, but still steep. I think the Waymo-Geely robotaxis coming next year will be interesting cost-wise. > That being said, it's not generalized, so opening markets is expensive because they're all individually trained for each mile of road in the market This is a misconception. The Waymo Driver is, in fact, designed to be generalizable. There some steps like mapping and initial validation in each market, but the same software runs on Waymo vehicles in every city. It’s definitely not individually trained for each mile in each market.

jeffbee 3y ago
There's a significant amount of cope involved when someone steps up to say that Waymo only works on rails, doesn't work in conditions where they have operated for years, etc. It is necessary to continue believing that Tesla is still in this race.
- ra7 3y ago
  Yeah, there’s a mind boggling amount of misinformation about Waymo. I’m sure it’s driven by financial and emotional interest in Tesla. It’s strange.
disillusioned 3y ago
> It’s definitely not individually trained for each mile in each market. Oh, that's very interesting. Being in the test/training market, and having read that they were training on every mile while they were here, I thought that was a key differentiator, but if it _is_ generalizable, that's absolutely huge. (And living here, during training, we'd see trains of 5-6 Waymos cruising down the streets of our neighborhood, so it kind of tracked with what I'd already heard from their videos and posts.) Thanks for the correction. It's amazing what they've accomplished, and it's also a blast to show out-of-towners who have no idea this is _widely available_ here in Phoenix.

by ra7 3y ago

jeffbee 3y ago

There's a significant amount of cope involved when someone steps up to say that Waymo only works on rails, doesn't work in conditions where they have operated for years, etc. It is necessary to continue believing that Tesla is still in this race.

ra7 3y ago
Yeah, there’s a mind boggling amount of misinformation about Waymo. I’m sure it’s driven by financial and emotional interest in Tesla. It’s strange.

disillusioned 3y ago

> It’s definitely not individually trained for each mile in each market. Oh, that's very interesting. Being in the test/training market, and having read that they were training on every mile while they were here, I thought that was a key differentiator, but if it _is_ generalizable, that's absolutely huge. (And living here, during training, we'd see trains of 5-6 Waymos cruising down the streets of our neighborhood, so it kind of tracked with what I'd already heard from their videos and posts.) Thanks for the correction. It's amazing what they've accomplished, and it's also a blast to show out-of-towners who have no idea this is _widely available_ here in Phoenix.