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For me the two takeways from the various reviews are that: - The Vision Pro is the best VR set that can be done today, with massive investment (rumoured 5e9 US

For me the two takeways from the various reviews are that: - The Vision Pro is the best VR set that can be done today, with massive investment (rumoured 5e9 USD) and competent staff, and hefty price. It is miles ahead of the competition. - It’s still not enough for most if any practical use, apart from films maybe. The technical requirements for a really useful VR are still largely out-of-reach, and will be for at least the next 5-10 years.

GeorgeTirebiter 3y ago
what does "5md USD" mean? I assume USD = US Dollars but "5md" ? Thank you.
- ghc 3y ago
  I was confused as well, so I checked various European languages for what their word for billion is. I suspect they are french, using an abbreviation for milliard, the French word for billion.
  - H8crilA 3y ago
    Not just French, also for example German and Polish. Milion, Miliard, Bilion, Biliard = Million, Billion, Trillion, Quadrillion (neither are justified because neither start at the beginning, that is at a thousand :) )
    - schmorptron 3y ago
      This is one of the places where the US has a better naming standard than us in the EU imo. Just feels much more intuitive to count up with Bi, Tri without doubling them up every time.
      - suction 3y ago
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- KolmogorovComp 3y ago
  Oops, fixed. I meant 5 billions (5e9), USD is indeed US Dollars.
- deleted 3y ago
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- Bluecobra 3y ago
  My guess is that the OP meant to say "5bn USD". I frequently see billion abbreviated to "bn" in UK newspapers such as the Financial Times.
- spaer 3y ago
  Maybe milliard (billion)
- guybedo 3y ago
  probably billions. "md" would be "milliard" and "milliard" is french for billions.
wilg 3y ago
Except its the worst VR set if you want to play games.
kevinak 3y ago
It really isn't 'miles' ahead of the competition. If anything it is way behind. For example, look at Varjo: https://varjo.com/products/xr-4/ https://varjo.com/products/xr-4/
- crooked-v 3y ago
  The XR-4 is already 665g as a tethered headset. I imagine it would be (literally) painfully heavy as a standalone device.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    To set a comparison point, a bike helmet is around 3 times that weight. Less weight would be better, but there's ways to embrace that and aleviate the issues ("have the product be true to its nature" to channel my inner Jony Ive). This time Apple chose not to, while Varjo tends to care a lot more about these ergonomic aspects. Looking at the XR-4 strap, it looks like a solid design to me.
    - nicbou 3y ago
      A bike helmet is around 400 grams. I just bought one. A motorbike helmet is heavier (3kg), but the weight is wrapped around your head, not hanging in front of it.
      - makeitdouble 3y ago
        > the weight is wrapped around your head, not hanging in front of it Yes, that's what makes the weight bearable. Same way the Quest Pro for instance splits the weight around the head to achieve a good balance. Better bands will also help. At this point we have none of that for the Vision Pro, which is a choice Apple made.
- Eric_WVGG 3y ago
  is that page supposed to scroll or have clickable links or basically anything?
WheatMillington 3y ago
>It is miles ahead of the competition I really don't think this is correct. It's a bit better at some things than any of its competition, and it's a little worse in some ways too. Other than the displays I don't think you can say it's substantially ahead at all.
- lelandfe 3y ago
  Quotes from The Verge’s review: > the Vision Pro has the best video passthrough I’ve ever seen on the sharpest VR displays any normal person will ever come across > the eye and hand tracking control system… is light years beyond any other consumer hand or eye tracking systems It calls out other aspects similarly.
  - theferalrobot 3y ago
    It can't even play games. You can do everything the Vision Pro can do and more on a quest 3 for 1/7th the price. The screen is not as sharp but the FOV is better on the quest (which they mention in the verge article), it has no battery dongle and it has actual tracked controllers if you want to use them (but you can fall back to hand tracking where it makes sense).
    - peebeebee 3y ago
      "That's the same as guys going, my 1000$ Ubuntu laptop can do everything your Mac does guys" That's great if that works for you, but most people would agree that Apple just has that finishing touch that 99% of other brands do not achieve. It's all in the details. Apple is luxury tech.
      - aniforprez 3y ago
        What does this even do better that has any "Apple" finishing touches? There's no games, there's some content but lots missing, what it is supposed to be able to do, it does worse than the competition and it's more than 6x the Quest's price

GeorgeTirebiter 3y ago

what does "5md USD" mean? I assume USD = US Dollars but "5md" ? Thank you.

ghc 3y ago
I was confused as well, so I checked various European languages for what their word for billion is. I suspect they are french, using an abbreviation for milliard, the French word for billion.
- H8crilA 3y ago
  Not just French, also for example German and Polish. Milion, Miliard, Bilion, Biliard = Million, Billion, Trillion, Quadrillion (neither are justified because neither start at the beginning, that is at a thousand :) )
  - schmorptron 3y ago
    This is one of the places where the US has a better naming standard than us in the EU imo. Just feels much more intuitive to count up with Bi, Tri without doubling them up every time.
    - suction 3y ago
      [dead]
KolmogorovComp 3y ago
Oops, fixed. I meant 5 billions (5e9), USD is indeed US Dollars.
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Bluecobra 3y ago
My guess is that the OP meant to say "5bn USD". I frequently see billion abbreviated to "bn" in UK newspapers such as the Financial Times.
spaer 3y ago
Maybe milliard (billion)
guybedo 3y ago
probably billions. "md" would be "milliard" and "milliard" is french for billions.

wilg 3y ago

Except its the worst VR set if you want to play games.

kevinak 3y ago

It really isn't 'miles' ahead of the competition. If anything it is way behind. For example, look at Varjo: https://varjo.com/products/xr-4/ https://varjo.com/products/xr-4/

crooked-v 3y ago
The XR-4 is already 665g as a tethered headset. I imagine it would be (literally) painfully heavy as a standalone device.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  To set a comparison point, a bike helmet is around 3 times that weight. Less weight would be better, but there's ways to embrace that and aleviate the issues ("have the product be true to its nature" to channel my inner Jony Ive). This time Apple chose not to, while Varjo tends to care a lot more about these ergonomic aspects. Looking at the XR-4 strap, it looks like a solid design to me.
  - nicbou 3y ago
    A bike helmet is around 400 grams. I just bought one. A motorbike helmet is heavier (3kg), but the weight is wrapped around your head, not hanging in front of it.
    - makeitdouble 3y ago
      > the weight is wrapped around your head, not hanging in front of it Yes, that's what makes the weight bearable. Same way the Quest Pro for instance splits the weight around the head to achieve a good balance. Better bands will also help. At this point we have none of that for the Vision Pro, which is a choice Apple made.
Eric_WVGG 3y ago
is that page supposed to scroll or have clickable links or basically anything?

WheatMillington 3y ago

>It is miles ahead of the competition I really don't think this is correct. It's a bit better at some things than any of its competition, and it's a little worse in some ways too. Other than the displays I don't think you can say it's substantially ahead at all.

lelandfe 3y ago
Quotes from The Verge’s review: > the Vision Pro has the best video passthrough I’ve ever seen on the sharpest VR displays any normal person will ever come across > the eye and hand tracking control system… is light years beyond any other consumer hand or eye tracking systems It calls out other aspects similarly.
- theferalrobot 3y ago
  It can't even play games. You can do everything the Vision Pro can do and more on a quest 3 for 1/7th the price. The screen is not as sharp but the FOV is better on the quest (which they mention in the verge article), it has no battery dongle and it has actual tracked controllers if you want to use them (but you can fall back to hand tracking where it makes sense).
  - peebeebee 3y ago
    "That's the same as guys going, my 1000$ Ubuntu laptop can do everything your Mac does guys" That's great if that works for you, but most people would agree that Apple just has that finishing touch that 99% of other brands do not achieve. It's all in the details. Apple is luxury tech.
    - aniforprez 3y ago
      What does this even do better that has any "Apple" finishing touches? There's no games, there's some content but lots missing, what it is supposed to be able to do, it does worse than the competition and it's more than 6x the Quest's price