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The inability to break out Mac windows curbed a lot of my enthusiasm for the AVP. I hope Apple will eventually add it, but I'm not going to spend $3500 on that

The inability to break out Mac windows curbed a lot of my enthusiasm for the AVP. I hope Apple will eventually add it, but I'm not going to spend $3500 on that hope.

pmarreck 3y ago
The fact that pretty much everyone who owns both a Vision Pro and a Mac would want that feature means it's probably going to happen.
sleepybrett 3y ago
It will be less of an issue for me if we start seeing native builds of popular IDEs like xcode, intelli-j/goland, etc for vision pro (and other apps for other people say photoshop). I think of the 'projected screen' feature more like a compatibility layer like Rosetta 2. You use it until you get a native build then it stops being a thing you bother with.
- callalex 3y ago
  That will never happen. Nobody will make real software for iOS because nobody wants to pay a 30% fee for the privilege of randomly having their whole business shut down when an app reviewer is in a bad mood.
  - huytersd 3y ago
    What world do you live in? The iOS App Store is probably the most full fledged and populated app ecosystem there is.
    - callalex 3y ago
      And yet none of the software GP mentioned are available on it.
      - huytersd 3y ago
        It’s been 1 day.
        callalex 3y ago
        No, iPads have been around for more than a decade.
        huytersd 3y ago
        Are you referring to IDEs? The iPad is not a productive machine. It’s for consumption. The VisionOS is for productivity which is very different from anything on iOS so I imagine it’s going to be available on it.
        int_19h 3y ago
        That's not how Apple advertises iPad Pro.
        goosedragons 3y ago
        It has the exact same app review guidelines as iOS and iPadOS. If you can't put it on those, you can't put it on VisionOS.
        sleepybrett 3y ago
        I don't see why you couldn't port an IDE to ipad os.. filesystem is a bit tricky with the way icloud files work.. but otherwise it's just a thing. I think mostly people don't (for high end IDEs) because they expect a keyboard and pointing device that isn't a touchscreen and those are faily rare per ipads sold. The ipad pro certainly is seeing some more beefy productivity apps it seems.
        sleepybrett 3y ago
        My point exactly, i'm going to be hard pressed to drop 3.5k on a ipad strapped to my face. If it can't replace my macbook why would I bother?
seanalltogether 3y ago
Without a tethered connection the bandwidth simply isn't there.
- saagarjha 3y ago
  As long as you keep your expectations modest you can probably do an acceptable job for casual usecases.

The inability to break out Mac windows curbed a lot of my enthusiasm for the AVP. I hope Apple will eventually add it, but I'm not going to spend $3500 on that hope.

pmarreck 3y ago

The fact that pretty much everyone who owns both a Vision Pro and a Mac would want that feature means it's probably going to happen.

sleepybrett 3y ago

It will be less of an issue for me if we start seeing native builds of popular IDEs like xcode, intelli-j/goland, etc for vision pro (and other apps for other people say photoshop). I think of the 'projected screen' feature more like a compatibility layer like Rosetta 2. You use it until you get a native build then it stops being a thing you bother with.

callalex 3y ago
That will never happen. Nobody will make real software for iOS because nobody wants to pay a 30% fee for the privilege of randomly having their whole business shut down when an app reviewer is in a bad mood.
- huytersd 3y ago
  What world do you live in? The iOS App Store is probably the most full fledged and populated app ecosystem there is.
  - callalex 3y ago
    And yet none of the software GP mentioned are available on it.
    - huytersd 3y ago
      It’s been 1 day.
      - callalex 3y ago
        No, iPads have been around for more than a decade.
        huytersd 3y ago
        Are you referring to IDEs? The iPad is not a productive machine. It’s for consumption. The VisionOS is for productivity which is very different from anything on iOS so I imagine it’s going to be available on it.
        int_19h 3y ago
        That's not how Apple advertises iPad Pro.
        goosedragons 3y ago
        It has the exact same app review guidelines as iOS and iPadOS. If you can't put it on those, you can't put it on VisionOS.
        sleepybrett 3y ago
        I don't see why you couldn't port an IDE to ipad os.. filesystem is a bit tricky with the way icloud files work.. but otherwise it's just a thing. I think mostly people don't (for high end IDEs) because they expect a keyboard and pointing device that isn't a touchscreen and those are faily rare per ipads sold. The ipad pro certainly is seeing some more beefy productivity apps it seems.
        sleepybrett 3y ago
        My point exactly, i'm going to be hard pressed to drop 3.5k on a ipad strapped to my face. If it can't replace my macbook why would I bother?

seanalltogether 3y ago

Without a tethered connection the bandwidth simply isn't there.

saagarjha 3y ago
As long as you keep your expectations modest you can probably do an acceptable job for casual usecases.