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> The job market is brutal for new grads and early-career developers Getting one's foot in the door has always been hard, but it seems there's another trend he

> The job market is brutal for new grads and early-career developers Getting one's foot in the door has always been hard, but it seems there's another trend here: Computer Science is now the most popular major at many schools. All of those students need a place to go. The rest of the article is behind a paywall.

ramesh31 3y ago
Indeed, I'm fully convinced that breaking into the industry without a degree at this point is nearly an impossibility. Total 180 from how things were ten years ago.
- askonomm 3y ago
  As a self-learnt (now senior) developer, I'm very happy I got my start when I did, 12 years ago. It wasn't easy back then either, and lots of places wanted a degree, but a few side projects usually did the trick.
apwell23 3y ago
> Computer Science is now the most popular major at many schools. I met lots of my nieces and nephews over christmas break and was surprised to see every single one of them studying comp sci.
- silisili 3y ago
  I see this as problematic. I'm of the belief people have brains and interests suited for different things - I for example cannot draw to save my life, or even imagine well. I failed hard in engineering school because I seemingly had little ability to do these tasks (sliderules and paper at the time). Most of the -worst- colleagues I've had in the last decade were folks from other walks of life who took a short boot camp, chasing money. Not all, but most, seemed to have zero passion for it, and didn't "get it." This is not to say I blame them - not one bit, but average quality took a huge hit. CS is starting to feel like MBAs of the late 90s early 00's - everyone chasing what they believe is easy money without thinking about it and absolutely flooding the field until it became a 'nice to have'.
  - apwell23 3y ago
    > Most of the -worst- colleagues I've had in the last decade were folks from other walks of life who took a short boot camp, chasing money. Yep lots of my friends couldn't give a crap about tech and took this path. Their main goal was to grind enough to get into management. Some of them are now managers at meta making 500k. I feel wronged lol.
    - sublinear 3y ago
      Well... that was their goal and congrats to them... I guess. They found another way into management which is probably where they belong... for now until they're up and out. Easy come, easy go. Can you really imagine having to write code with people like that on your team long term? Anyway the money isn't everything. I'm sure plenty of them are miserable because they're constantly under threat from more competent people. Sometimes the crown wears you.
- faeriechangling 3y ago
  I'm seeing some of these people enter the workforce and I've seen ones that don't own a computer at home.

ramesh31 3y ago

Indeed, I'm fully convinced that breaking into the industry without a degree at this point is nearly an impossibility. Total 180 from how things were ten years ago.

askonomm 3y ago
As a self-learnt (now senior) developer, I'm very happy I got my start when I did, 12 years ago. It wasn't easy back then either, and lots of places wanted a degree, but a few side projects usually did the trick.

apwell23 3y ago

> Computer Science is now the most popular major at many schools. I met lots of my nieces and nephews over christmas break and was surprised to see every single one of them studying comp sci.

silisili 3y ago
I see this as problematic. I'm of the belief people have brains and interests suited for different things - I for example cannot draw to save my life, or even imagine well. I failed hard in engineering school because I seemingly had little ability to do these tasks (sliderules and paper at the time). Most of the -worst- colleagues I've had in the last decade were folks from other walks of life who took a short boot camp, chasing money. Not all, but most, seemed to have zero passion for it, and didn't "get it." This is not to say I blame them - not one bit, but average quality took a huge hit. CS is starting to feel like MBAs of the late 90s early 00's - everyone chasing what they believe is easy money without thinking about it and absolutely flooding the field until it became a 'nice to have'.
- apwell23 3y ago
  > Most of the -worst- colleagues I've had in the last decade were folks from other walks of life who took a short boot camp, chasing money. Yep lots of my friends couldn't give a crap about tech and took this path. Their main goal was to grind enough to get into management. Some of them are now managers at meta making 500k. I feel wronged lol.
  - sublinear 3y ago
    Well... that was their goal and congrats to them... I guess. They found another way into management which is probably where they belong... for now until they're up and out. Easy come, easy go. Can you really imagine having to write code with people like that on your team long term? Anyway the money isn't everything. I'm sure plenty of them are miserable because they're constantly under threat from more competent people. Sometimes the crown wears you.
faeriechangling 3y ago
I'm seeing some of these people enter the workforce and I've seen ones that don't own a computer at home.