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I've seen a few ideas that seem really interesting, just not at the price point Apple is offering. And honestly I'm just going to wait for these headsets to be

I've seen a few ideas that seem really interesting, just not at the price point Apple is offering. And honestly I'm just going to wait for these headsets to be smaller and lighter too before buying one. I don't think anyone at Apple is under the impression this device is going to be a money maker, but more of a gen-1 device to provide a place to start from for further work. - Learning instruments in a guitar-hero way (Piano, guitar, drums) - Cooking with timers and recipes right in front of you (will be even more doable with better internal displays in the future) - Coding with virtual displays on-demand. This is another thing where we still need more resolution to make it really doable. - Watching movies. Obviously a solo way of doing this but I could see it being big. - (once these are much lighter and less intrusive) I could see these being huge for virtual workouts like Yoga, weight lifting, etc. Also regarding your question, I'm trying to think of the "killer app" is for a currently successful device - iPhone. I mean, camera? Texting? Most people use tiktok a ton but I wouldn't consider that a killer app. I think it's more of the device providing a home for a bunch of different apps.

spogbiper 3y ago
killer app for the iphone was a truly usable portable web browser. everything else early iphones did had been done many times before, but a web browser that actually worked pretty well on a portable device was new
patchorang 3y ago
Cooking sounds like a nice application, but as soon as the headset steams up/get condensation on the glass it will be quite annoying. I can't imagine cooking in ski goggles.
- MegaDeKay 3y ago
  Worse than that would be when you fry something and the front of your $3500 headset gets splattered in grease. No thanks.
  - theshackleford 3y ago
    It’s called a cloth and they cost almost nothing.
    - Sodman 3y ago
      IDK they're like $19 these days and that's without even knowing if they'll officially list the Vision Pro as a supported device yet or not! https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MM6F3AM/A/polishing-cloth https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MM6F3AM/A/polishing-cloth
      - theshackleford 3y ago
        Why would you buy a cloth from Apple but? Lol 19 dollars, I could get a meal for that. It would want to be made out of unicorn hair or something.
    - Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
      Cloth doesn't really absorb grease that well. It just kind of spreads it around.
      - theshackleford 3y ago
        Ah yeah, you'd need a little bit of dish soap too I suppose. (I used to work in a kitchen and my glasses would end up covered in grease somehow.)
        spiderice 3y ago
        For some reason everyone is pretending that cleaning up grease is an impossible task
        Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
        And I wouldn't want to use dish soap on my $500+ device that isn't designed to be waterproof.
    - 3y ago
oriolid 3y ago
> Learning instruments in a guitar-hero way (Piano, guitar, drums) What would VR add here? For guitar-hero style instrument learning, there are already Yousician, Simply Piano / Guitar, Gibson and Fender apps, and quite a few others.
- bnolsen 3y ago
  rocksmith is the big player here. It's awesome with a big screen TV. VR only gets in the way.
- willio58 3y ago
  For piano it lines up the keys with the notes on your physical keyboard, so you don't need to look at a separate representation of a keyboard, you can literally see the notes fall onto your piano at the right times. Same thing with the other instruments.
  - oriolid 3y ago
    The problem is that once you get past the very initial stage, you want to read ahead of what you play at the moment. At that moment Synthesia-style falling blocks notation becomes difficult to read because the blocks don't have any position reference besides the keys and no time values. Even the scrolling sheet music or tab is distracting compared stationary black and white. With guitar there's the additional problem that you can't see both hands at the same time, and usually you won't be looking at your hands at all. And if you ever want to play without help from the app, you need to learn to find the notes anyway. This is by the way a great explanation of all the attempts to make music easier to read and how they fail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq3bUFgEcb4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq3bUFgEcb4
    - rwalle 3y ago
      exactly. Those who think VR headsets are good music teachers probably have never taken any serious music lessons or master any instruments themselves. If you have just taken one month of lesson and have been practicing daily, these things will start to prevent you from making progress, not help you. (coming from someone who has been taking piano lessons for the past 8 years and have a Quest 3)
karaterobot 3y ago
Working out with a VR headset on seems like a great way to get the whole thing disgusting. Hope I can put this $3500 face computer through the washing machine.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Unless Apple has truly screwed the pooch, this has been a solved problem. Sometimes, if you are purposely trying to work out with a VR headset, you just wear a headband to catch the sweat. Most headsets also have cheaply replaceable or even machine washable face "gaskets". If the idea of any sweat in your poor device saddens you, just point a fan at yourself while you work out.
  - crooked-v 3y ago
    Also, since the gaskets just stick on with magnets, I'm sure there will be third-party ones with included fans or whatever available within a couple of weeks.
- lelandfe 3y ago
  I’m imagining trying to do burpees with this on my face. Or attempting to press a barbell up and shattering the device. No thanks!
riversflow 3y ago
> virtual workouts Or real workouts. I want to be able to have floating text to read on my runs, and real time biometric data directly in my field of view rather than on my watch would be cool too.
- wraptile 3y ago
  I'm not sure if this satire that I'm missing but some people consider running with a kilogram of sweat on their brow?
  - riversflow 3y ago
    the proceeding part of that quote has, "(once these are much lighter and less intrusive)" Definitely not going to run with the current product lmao.

spogbiper 3y ago

killer app for the iphone was a truly usable portable web browser. everything else early iphones did had been done many times before, but a web browser that actually worked pretty well on a portable device was new

patchorang 3y ago

Cooking sounds like a nice application, but as soon as the headset steams up/get condensation on the glass it will be quite annoying. I can't imagine cooking in ski goggles.

MegaDeKay 3y ago
Worse than that would be when you fry something and the front of your $3500 headset gets splattered in grease. No thanks.
- theshackleford 3y ago
  It’s called a cloth and they cost almost nothing.
  - Sodman 3y ago
    IDK they're like $19 these days and that's without even knowing if they'll officially list the Vision Pro as a supported device yet or not! https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MM6F3AM/A/polishing-cloth https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MM6F3AM/A/polishing-cloth
    - theshackleford 3y ago
      Why would you buy a cloth from Apple but? Lol 19 dollars, I could get a meal for that. It would want to be made out of unicorn hair or something.
  - Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
    Cloth doesn't really absorb grease that well. It just kind of spreads it around.
    - theshackleford 3y ago
      Ah yeah, you'd need a little bit of dish soap too I suppose. (I used to work in a kitchen and my glasses would end up covered in grease somehow.)
      - spiderice 3y ago
        For some reason everyone is pretending that cleaning up grease is an impossible task
      - Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
        And I wouldn't want to use dish soap on my $500+ device that isn't designed to be waterproof.
  - 3y ago

oriolid 3y ago

> Learning instruments in a guitar-hero way (Piano, guitar, drums) What would VR add here? For guitar-hero style instrument learning, there are already Yousician, Simply Piano / Guitar, Gibson and Fender apps, and quite a few others.

bnolsen 3y ago
rocksmith is the big player here. It's awesome with a big screen TV. VR only gets in the way.
willio58 3y ago
For piano it lines up the keys with the notes on your physical keyboard, so you don't need to look at a separate representation of a keyboard, you can literally see the notes fall onto your piano at the right times. Same thing with the other instruments.
- oriolid 3y ago
  The problem is that once you get past the very initial stage, you want to read ahead of what you play at the moment. At that moment Synthesia-style falling blocks notation becomes difficult to read because the blocks don't have any position reference besides the keys and no time values. Even the scrolling sheet music or tab is distracting compared stationary black and white. With guitar there's the additional problem that you can't see both hands at the same time, and usually you won't be looking at your hands at all. And if you ever want to play without help from the app, you need to learn to find the notes anyway. This is by the way a great explanation of all the attempts to make music easier to read and how they fail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq3bUFgEcb4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq3bUFgEcb4
  - rwalle 3y ago
    exactly. Those who think VR headsets are good music teachers probably have never taken any serious music lessons or master any instruments themselves. If you have just taken one month of lesson and have been practicing daily, these things will start to prevent you from making progress, not help you. (coming from someone who has been taking piano lessons for the past 8 years and have a Quest 3)

karaterobot 3y ago

Working out with a VR headset on seems like a great way to get the whole thing disgusting. Hope I can put this $3500 face computer through the washing machine.

mrguyorama 3y ago
Unless Apple has truly screwed the pooch, this has been a solved problem. Sometimes, if you are purposely trying to work out with a VR headset, you just wear a headband to catch the sweat. Most headsets also have cheaply replaceable or even machine washable face "gaskets". If the idea of any sweat in your poor device saddens you, just point a fan at yourself while you work out.
- crooked-v 3y ago
  Also, since the gaskets just stick on with magnets, I'm sure there will be third-party ones with included fans or whatever available within a couple of weeks.
lelandfe 3y ago
I’m imagining trying to do burpees with this on my face. Or attempting to press a barbell up and shattering the device. No thanks!

riversflow 3y ago

> virtual workouts Or real workouts. I want to be able to have floating text to read on my runs, and real time biometric data directly in my field of view rather than on my watch would be cool too.

wraptile 3y ago
I'm not sure if this satire that I'm missing but some people consider running with a kilogram of sweat on their brow?
- riversflow 3y ago
  the proceeding part of that quote has, "(once these are much lighter and less intrusive)" Definitely not going to run with the current product lmao.