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There's always some company that optimizes for the type of consumer who sorts by lowest price and chooses the item at the top of the list. This is that. These

There's always some company that optimizes for the type of consumer who sorts by lowest price and chooses the item at the top of the list. This is that. These vehicles are aggressively priced. Immobilizers were a great idea of what to skimp on. People are buying those cars based on creature comforts and price. People DGAF about immobilizers when they're buying a car. If it gets stolen next week it doesn't matter to the manufacturer, as long as they keep selling. Which they are. Hyundai Motor sales figures are very healthy and growing.

rootusrootus 3y ago
I wonder how many people check out the insurance premiums before pulling the trigger on their car purchase. If the answer is anything like 'most' then decisions like this will eventually cause people to steer away from Hyundai/Kia cars.
- kube-system 3y ago
  Hyundai changed their tune on this issue after some insurers threatened to stop insuring certain models at all, and they're now putting immobilizers in all of their models. But I still don't think they made a mistake. They're just the victim of a social media trend. There's hundreds of other vehicle vulnerabilities out there just waiting to be the next trend. There's so many ways to maliciously mess with a car, it's mostly limited by people's imaginations.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    That's maybe an argument that they didn't make an uncommonly egregious mistake, but that many cars are defective hardly means none of them are.
    - kube-system 3y ago
      All cars have serious security issues. The security features on any car mostly just mitigate the most severe/commonly/easily exploited issues. Locks and electronic countermeasures merely discourage people from exploiting cars, or give the illusion of security, they don't actually provide very high security at all. People are stealing luxury cars in American cities in large numbers right now and shipping them overseas to resell. It doesn't matter how many security systems the manufacturer has put into place. It doesn't take advanced techniques or esoteric tools. All it takes is a flatbed trailer and a hand winch from the hardware store. Where's the line between security issue and defect? Is it a defect when it becomes popular to exploit? It is a defect when other manufacturers mitigate it? Seems like a matter of opinion to me, more than anything qualitative.

rootusrootus 3y ago

I wonder how many people check out the insurance premiums before pulling the trigger on their car purchase. If the answer is anything like 'most' then decisions like this will eventually cause people to steer away from Hyundai/Kia cars.

kube-system 3y ago
Hyundai changed their tune on this issue after some insurers threatened to stop insuring certain models at all, and they're now putting immobilizers in all of their models. But I still don't think they made a mistake. They're just the victim of a social media trend. There's hundreds of other vehicle vulnerabilities out there just waiting to be the next trend. There's so many ways to maliciously mess with a car, it's mostly limited by people's imaginations.
- thfuran 3y ago
  That's maybe an argument that they didn't make an uncommonly egregious mistake, but that many cars are defective hardly means none of them are.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    All cars have serious security issues. The security features on any car mostly just mitigate the most severe/commonly/easily exploited issues. Locks and electronic countermeasures merely discourage people from exploiting cars, or give the illusion of security, they don't actually provide very high security at all. People are stealing luxury cars in American cities in large numbers right now and shipping them overseas to resell. It doesn't matter how many security systems the manufacturer has put into place. It doesn't take advanced techniques or esoteric tools. All it takes is a flatbed trailer and a hand winch from the hardware store. Where's the line between security issue and defect? Is it a defect when it becomes popular to exploit? It is a defect when other manufacturers mitigate it? Seems like a matter of opinion to me, more than anything qualitative.