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> if the airbag deploys, a part inside is more likely to explode and shoot sharp metal fragments Paging Brandon Lee... No death is more indignified than getti

> if the airbag deploys, a part inside is more likely to explode and shoot sharp metal fragments Paging Brandon Lee... No death is more indignified than getting killed by a safety feature.

snovymgodym 3y ago
I don't think you could call what happened to Brandon Lee "getting killed by a safety feature" so much as getting killed by negligence of the production crew. Blanks are dangerous, especially if you're using them with an unmodified firearm. Even if there's nothing lodged in the barrel as was the case with Lee, a blank cartridge can kill you just with gas pressure if the barrel is held close enough to something important. That's part of the reason that blank-fire adapters used in live-fire military exercises plug the barrel. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/US_Navy_101013-N-3013W-430_Construction_Electrician_2nd_Class_Carl_Harms%2C_from_Lake_Odessa%2C_Mich.%2C_assigned_to_Naval_Mobile_Construction_Battalion.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/US_Navy_...
- globalise83 3y ago
  I remember a military instructor showing us what happens if you fire a blank round from a rifle into a folded newspaper. In one word "confetti".
  - vkou 3y ago
    At what range?
    - arp242 3y ago
      Confetti range.
  - ghufran_syed 3y ago
    same, in england - they fired a 303 and a 5.56 caliber blank round at around 10cm range into an empty soda can, it basically ripped it in two
- dghughes 3y ago
  Jon-Erik Hexum too if you're old enough to recall. Put a gun to his temple and pulled the trigger the blank caused terrible damage and killed him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum
  - mech422 3y ago
    man - I used to love him in Cover Up!
- rascul 3y ago
  The main reason for the blank firing adapter is to keep the gas from escaping out the end of barrel so it can go back and cycle the bolt and load the next round. A live fire exercise would be using live rounds, not blanks.
  - jstarfish 3y ago
    You say that and the first thing I'm thinking is, surely revolvers must be safe to use without these adapters then? They eject gas around the cylinder and are cycled mechanically. And yet, the Alec Baldwin fiasco: > Dave Halls, assistant director on the movie, told investigators he failed to inspect every round in every chamber of every gun on set. In his affidavit, Souza said the gun went off during rehearsal of a scene in which Baldwin, seated on a church pew, pulls his firearm from its holster and aims directly “towards the camera lens.” > According to the Los Angeles Times, half a dozen union camera-crew workers had walked off set in protest of working conditions just hours before Hutchins was shot. There had been three misfires of the prop gun before the one that killed Hutchins. “There were no safety meetings,” an unnamed crew member said. “There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.” The Times reported that someone texted the production manager, “We’ve now had three accidental discharges. This is super unsafe.” > But a huge cache of documents the bureau released after the report suggest Gutierrez-Reed may have known live rounds had been detected on set ahead of the fatal shooting. In published text messages, Rust’s prop master tells Gutierrez-Reed she found “bad ones” in the box of ammunition. “Hannah advised she thought it meant possibly one or two rounds from the box, but Sarah told her it was more than half of the box,” the summary reportedly read. Lesson learned: if you want to engineer an on-set firearm accident, use faulty revolvers, heavily contaminate the supply of blanks with live ammunition, and make sure everyone is rushing through everything at all times so crew is conditioned to ignore warning signs and nobody knows who to blame when tragedy occurs. Well played, Alec. Next time just do Springtime for Hitler.
    - LukeShu 3y ago
      Getting off-topic, but: > There had been three misfires of the prop gun before the one that killed Hutchins. … “We’ve now had three accidental discharges. This is super unsafe.” A "misfire" is when the gun should go off but doesn't, an "accidental discharge" is when the gun shouldn't go off but does. There was a lot of sloppy reporting around the events, to where it's hard to tell what the facts actually were. The particular mistake I highlighted (the reporter saying "misfire" when their source says "accidental discharge") IMO makes whichever article you're quoting suspect as a whole.
- adolph 3y ago
  another part being that the M2's BFA looks awesomely steampunk scifi https://www.psmagazine.army.mil/News/Article/2051920/m2a1-machine-gun-install-the-m19-bfa-the-right-way/ https://www.psmagazine.army.mil/News/Article/2051920/m2a1-ma...
- jstarfish 3y ago
  My point was more being on the receiving end of a directed explosion is uncomfortable, be it airbags, rocketry or firearms. Anything between you and the propellant becomes a bullet. See also that couple who tried to DIY pink-or-blue fireworks for their baby shower but inadvertently maimed attendees with a gender-neutral pipe bomb. Thanks for the additional context though, I didn't know blank rounds required that much diligence.
- Log_out_ 3y ago
  Eh, the barrel plugs are there to drive back the assembly and have a full eject, as the plastic blanks are too weak otherwise.

> if the airbag deploys, a part inside is more likely to explode and shoot sharp metal fragments Paging Brandon Lee... No death is more indignified than getting killed by a safety feature.

snovymgodym 3y ago

I don't think you could call what happened to Brandon Lee "getting killed by a safety feature" so much as getting killed by negligence of the production crew. Blanks are dangerous, especially if you're using them with an unmodified firearm. Even if there's nothing lodged in the barrel as was the case with Lee, a blank cartridge can kill you just with gas pressure if the barrel is held close enough to something important. That's part of the reason that blank-fire adapters used in live-fire military exercises plug the barrel. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/US_Navy_101013-N-3013W-430_Construction_Electrician_2nd_Class_Carl_Harms%2C_from_Lake_Odessa%2C_Mich.%2C_assigned_to_Naval_Mobile_Construction_Battalion.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/US_Navy_...

globalise83 3y ago
I remember a military instructor showing us what happens if you fire a blank round from a rifle into a folded newspaper. In one word "confetti".
- vkou 3y ago
  At what range?
  - arp242 3y ago
    Confetti range.
- ghufran_syed 3y ago
  same, in england - they fired a 303 and a 5.56 caliber blank round at around 10cm range into an empty soda can, it basically ripped it in two
dghughes 3y ago
Jon-Erik Hexum too if you're old enough to recall. Put a gun to his temple and pulled the trigger the blank caused terrible damage and killed him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum
- mech422 3y ago
  man - I used to love him in Cover Up!
rascul 3y ago
The main reason for the blank firing adapter is to keep the gas from escaping out the end of barrel so it can go back and cycle the bolt and load the next round. A live fire exercise would be using live rounds, not blanks.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  You say that and the first thing I'm thinking is, surely revolvers must be safe to use without these adapters then? They eject gas around the cylinder and are cycled mechanically. And yet, the Alec Baldwin fiasco: > Dave Halls, assistant director on the movie, told investigators he failed to inspect every round in every chamber of every gun on set. In his affidavit, Souza said the gun went off during rehearsal of a scene in which Baldwin, seated on a church pew, pulls his firearm from its holster and aims directly “towards the camera lens.” > According to the Los Angeles Times, half a dozen union camera-crew workers had walked off set in protest of working conditions just hours before Hutchins was shot. There had been three misfires of the prop gun before the one that killed Hutchins. “There were no safety meetings,” an unnamed crew member said. “There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.” The Times reported that someone texted the production manager, “We’ve now had three accidental discharges. This is super unsafe.” > But a huge cache of documents the bureau released after the report suggest Gutierrez-Reed may have known live rounds had been detected on set ahead of the fatal shooting. In published text messages, Rust’s prop master tells Gutierrez-Reed she found “bad ones” in the box of ammunition. “Hannah advised she thought it meant possibly one or two rounds from the box, but Sarah told her it was more than half of the box,” the summary reportedly read. Lesson learned: if you want to engineer an on-set firearm accident, use faulty revolvers, heavily contaminate the supply of blanks with live ammunition, and make sure everyone is rushing through everything at all times so crew is conditioned to ignore warning signs and nobody knows who to blame when tragedy occurs. Well played, Alec. Next time just do Springtime for Hitler.
  - LukeShu 3y ago
    Getting off-topic, but: > There had been three misfires of the prop gun before the one that killed Hutchins. … “We’ve now had three accidental discharges. This is super unsafe.” A "misfire" is when the gun should go off but doesn't, an "accidental discharge" is when the gun shouldn't go off but does. There was a lot of sloppy reporting around the events, to where it's hard to tell what the facts actually were. The particular mistake I highlighted (the reporter saying "misfire" when their source says "accidental discharge") IMO makes whichever article you're quoting suspect as a whole.
adolph 3y ago
another part being that the M2's BFA looks awesomely steampunk scifi https://www.psmagazine.army.mil/News/Article/2051920/m2a1-machine-gun-install-the-m19-bfa-the-right-way/ https://www.psmagazine.army.mil/News/Article/2051920/m2a1-ma...
jstarfish 3y ago
My point was more being on the receiving end of a directed explosion is uncomfortable, be it airbags, rocketry or firearms. Anything between you and the propellant becomes a bullet. See also that couple who tried to DIY pink-or-blue fireworks for their baby shower but inadvertently maimed attendees with a gender-neutral pipe bomb. Thanks for the additional context though, I didn't know blank rounds required that much diligence.
Log_out_ 3y ago
Eh, the barrel plugs are there to drive back the assembly and have a full eject, as the plastic blanks are too weak otherwise.