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Hungary recently promised a lifetime income tax break to women who have 4 or more children. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/have-four-or-more-babies-in-hungary-

Hungary recently promised a lifetime income tax break to women who have 4 or more children. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/have-four-or-more-babies-in-hungary-and-youll-pay-no-income-tax-for-life.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/have-four-or-more-babies-in-... Have any other countries seen such a strong fertility rate bump as Hungary? I haven't seen any long trends that look that promising!

somenameforme 3y ago
Russia has a pretty interesting one. [1] It's been rising every year since 1998, but it comes with a huge asterisk. They had a good fertility rate (by Western standards at least) up until the 1990s. But the collapse of the Soviet Union and the migration to a market economy in the 90s sent everything into chaos, and the country ended up in defacto anarchy for about a decade. But I still think it's relevant, because it shows it is possible to get those rates back up again. They went from a rate of 1.247 to 1.826 in 20 years. Still nowhere near where it should be, but that's relatively rapid progress in a good direction. Perhaps more importantly, it also challenges many of the arguments people make about why fertility rates are collapsing in the West at large. [1] - https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-r...
- lores 3y ago
  Let's see if that's not just a regression to the mean... The birth rate was not much higher in the last decade of the Soviet Union, and times have changed since then.
- CRConrad 3y ago
  > the country ended up in defacto anarchy for about a decade. Kleptocracy, not anarchy.
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    Kleptocracy describes near to any any modern political system - "public service" could much more aptly be described as "self enrichment." So the term is neither particularly descriptive, nor relevant, in my opinion.
  - kmeisthax 3y ago
    People use anarchy in one of two ways: - Capital-A Anarchist "late stage liberalism", i.e. a system in which all coercive or hierarchial power structures have been dismantled, including capitalism, nationalism, and the monopoly on violence that is the bedrock of all nation states. - As a shorthand for chaos and violence caused by an inability to enforce laws. The latter is a sort of denigration of the former, but it's become so commonly used that people assume it without thinking. To be fair to people using the word this way, there are very few examples of functionally anarchist places that aren't hellholes[0]. [0] The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_N... isn't explicitly capital-A Anarchist, but they also have adopted a lot of policies that Anarchists might like.

somenameforme 3y ago

Russia has a pretty interesting one. [1] It's been rising every year since 1998, but it comes with a huge asterisk. They had a good fertility rate (by Western standards at least) up until the 1990s. But the collapse of the Soviet Union and the migration to a market economy in the 90s sent everything into chaos, and the country ended up in defacto anarchy for about a decade. But I still think it's relevant, because it shows it is possible to get those rates back up again. They went from a rate of 1.247 to 1.826 in 20 years. Still nowhere near where it should be, but that's relatively rapid progress in a good direction. Perhaps more importantly, it also challenges many of the arguments people make about why fertility rates are collapsing in the West at large. [1] - https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-r...

lores 3y ago
Let's see if that's not just a regression to the mean... The birth rate was not much higher in the last decade of the Soviet Union, and times have changed since then.
CRConrad 3y ago
> the country ended up in defacto anarchy for about a decade. Kleptocracy, not anarchy.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  Kleptocracy describes near to any any modern political system - "public service" could much more aptly be described as "self enrichment." So the term is neither particularly descriptive, nor relevant, in my opinion.
- kmeisthax 3y ago
  People use anarchy in one of two ways: - Capital-A Anarchist "late stage liberalism", i.e. a system in which all coercive or hierarchial power structures have been dismantled, including capitalism, nationalism, and the monopoly on violence that is the bedrock of all nation states. - As a shorthand for chaos and violence caused by an inability to enforce laws. The latter is a sort of denigration of the former, but it's become so commonly used that people assume it without thinking. To be fair to people using the word this way, there are very few examples of functionally anarchist places that aren't hellholes[0]. [0] The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_N... isn't explicitly capital-A Anarchist, but they also have adopted a lot of policies that Anarchists might like.