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This review confirmed this is exactly what I need. I don’t care about my hair messing up, I work from home. I don’t care if the display doesn’t look as good as

by _xnmw 3y ago

This review confirmed this is exactly what I need. I don’t care about my hair messing up, I work from home. I don’t care if the display doesn’t look as good as reality, that was never my expectation anyway. The display just needs to look good enough to work with fine text and hi-res images. I don’t care if it’s too heavy to wear for hours at a time, I always work in 25 minute blocks anyway. Breaks are good. I don’t care if personas look creepy, Zoom virtual backgrounds are also creepy. I don’t care if the eye/hand tracking isn’t up to par for “serious” work, I plan to use it with a keyboard and mouse anyway (at least while working, not in entertainment/writing mode). Every single “fault” which this reviewer mentioned doesn’t matter to me, I was never expecting this device to replace reality for me anyway. What I want is, the ability to have large displays laid back on my bed/couch, and the ability to walk around the room and place different open Safari windows and apps around my physical space as I think and study some new topic. That’s all. The new virtual world stuff is just a cute addition for me, it’s not what I am buying it for. I am buying this thing to have an infinite number of screens placed anywhere in my space, and that’s all I wanted.

walteweiss 3y ago
My train of thought was similar to this, but I’m worried about my eyes. Although I’m not sure whether it’s worse than me looking at a regular screen all day long.
whamlastxmas 3y ago
Same for me but there was a single sentence that more than halved my interest in buying this: you can’t have multiple floating windows of MacOS. It’s all in one single floating window. This is by far the biggest flaw for me, and a really stupid one. Hopefully a software update changes this
- _xnmw 3y ago
  But you can have one floating macOS window (for your workhorse app) and then infinite other visionOS and iPadOS windows. For me, that’s good enough, most of my other monitors are just Safari tabs or something that can be replaced with iPad apps anyway. Anyway the fact that you can continue to use your phone with the headset on means you could theoretically use another computer with external monitors for desktop apps while having lots of extra virtual space for iPad/Safari apps.
- hbn 3y ago
  The 1 monitor cap and the fact that it's only a 1440p resolution makes me think it's a bandwidth/latency limitation, I wouldn't hold my breath on software fixing it.
  - janeshchhabra 3y ago
    Yeah, you would likely need a hardwired connection over thunderbolt to do more. It's unlikely such a connection is possible with the specs today (only usb-c is on battery, and unsure if that can transfer data).
  - 93po 3y ago
    Fair point but I wish they’d allow more when I don’t need perfect latency video, just mostly static ide material
  - kllrnohj 3y ago
    The MacOS compositor already has different buffers for every window. It could stream updates of those buffers and do final composition on the AVP instead. But likely out of simplicity it seems like they just opted to use a generic, preexisting remote desktop solution. I also wouldn't hold my breath on software fixing it as even though it could it's all but certain Apple would certainly rather have you using native AVP apps instead and sees MacOS streaming as a stop-gap solution, not a valuable part of the long term strategy.
- janeshchhabra 3y ago
  +1, this makes it harder to interop with mac working environments which was my biggest usecase for this device. Sure, I can do other safari windows for research and stuff, but what I really want is different windows of IDEs, code search, docs, and work artifacts. Many of which may not be accessible through the vision pro (VPN, device certs, etc.), but are through my macbook. If we could have at least 4 or 5 mac windows, it would be much better, otherwise it's akin to a macbook + external monitor. Hopefully they figure out a way to add it in, but it's hard to buy with such an obvious usecase missing.
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  VSCode native app when
  - rpmisms 3y ago
    If it uses the Mac as a devserver, probably really soon.
strunz 3y ago
Can you describe the tasks you will actually be doing like this and why this headset is actually helpful?
- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  > the ability to walk around the room and place different open Safari windows and apps around my physical space as I think and study some new topic This seems like a perfectly reasonable task and why it is useful.
  - kccqzy 3y ago
    GP has said > I plan to use it with a keyboard and mouse anyway And judging from reviews this seems required for productivity. I cannot imagine walking around the room with one hand holding a keyboard and another holding a mouse. Maybe they need to sell a contraption that straps a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to your body so much you can move around hands free?
    - mynameisvlad 3y ago
      Just because you don't see a use case doesn't mean one doesn't exist. The original comment explained perfectly well how they would use it. If that use case suits them, then its their prerogative. This gatekeeping of use cases is so odd; why does it matter so much how someone else uses the device?
      - kccqzy 3y ago
        Just because I don't see a use case doesn't mean I'm unilaterally stating a use case doesn't exist. I'm simply stating my opinion as to why this device doesn't suit me; to be more precise I'm stating why somebody else's use case is not my use case. Why do you assume my comment is supposed to generalize to everybody's use cases?
      - eviks 3y ago
        It's not perfectly explained due to the apparent contradiction
saiya-jin 3y ago
There is always an idea what one needs, the idea itself is perfect, flawless. Then there is reality. Those never meet, good luck with getting them at least close
kccqzy 3y ago
The hand tracking system is among the faults in the review. I'm not sure whether this will be addressed by having a real keyboard and mouse. The reviewer never tried the device with a real mouse. Do you know how the experience will be when using a mouse rather than the hand-tracking system? Anyways this sounds infuriating: > you have to be looking at something in order to click on it, and that means you are constantly taking your attention away from whatever you’re working on to specifically look at the button you need to press next. I spent some time playing a lovely little game called Stitch that quickly became maddening because I kept looking away from the piece I wanted to move to the place I wanted to move it, which meant I wasn’t picking it up when I tapped my fingers. And also: > I talk through writing video scripts to make sure things flow, and I talk with my hands. So as I was writing the video script for this review in the Vision Pro, the system kept catching my hands moving and started scrolling and clicking on things by accident. I cracked up the first time I realized what was happening. But eventually, it meant that I took the Vision Pro off and wrote the rest of the script on my Mac, which only does things when I actually want it to.
- elicash 3y ago
  Brian Tong's review shows use of it with a trackpad, 9:09 in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkPw6ScHyb4&t=549s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkPw6ScHyb4&t=549s This seems, to me, the only possible way to use this as a productivity device and wish more reviews would have tried it to get a better sense of whether it changes things. Gruber's review also talks about the trackpad a bit: https://daringfireball.net/2024/01/the_vision_pro https://daringfireball.net/2024/01/the_vision_pro
rootusrootus 3y ago
> the ability to walk around the room and place different open Safari windows and apps around my physical space as I think and study some new topic That right there might be worth the price of admission.
globular-toast 3y ago
So are you going to use a keyboard and mouse or not? It sounds like you're going to buy this regardless. Why are you trying to justify it to us?
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by _xnmw 3y ago

walteweiss 3y ago

My train of thought was similar to this, but I’m worried about my eyes. Although I’m not sure whether it’s worse than me looking at a regular screen all day long.

whamlastxmas 3y ago

Same for me but there was a single sentence that more than halved my interest in buying this: you can’t have multiple floating windows of MacOS. It’s all in one single floating window. This is by far the biggest flaw for me, and a really stupid one. Hopefully a software update changes this

_xnmw 3y ago
But you can have one floating macOS window (for your workhorse app) and then infinite other visionOS and iPadOS windows. For me, that’s good enough, most of my other monitors are just Safari tabs or something that can be replaced with iPad apps anyway. Anyway the fact that you can continue to use your phone with the headset on means you could theoretically use another computer with external monitors for desktop apps while having lots of extra virtual space for iPad/Safari apps.
hbn 3y ago
The 1 monitor cap and the fact that it's only a 1440p resolution makes me think it's a bandwidth/latency limitation, I wouldn't hold my breath on software fixing it.
- janeshchhabra 3y ago
  Yeah, you would likely need a hardwired connection over thunderbolt to do more. It's unlikely such a connection is possible with the specs today (only usb-c is on battery, and unsure if that can transfer data).
- 93po 3y ago
  Fair point but I wish they’d allow more when I don’t need perfect latency video, just mostly static ide material
- kllrnohj 3y ago
  The MacOS compositor already has different buffers for every window. It could stream updates of those buffers and do final composition on the AVP instead. But likely out of simplicity it seems like they just opted to use a generic, preexisting remote desktop solution. I also wouldn't hold my breath on software fixing it as even though it could it's all but certain Apple would certainly rather have you using native AVP apps instead and sees MacOS streaming as a stop-gap solution, not a valuable part of the long term strategy.
janeshchhabra 3y ago
+1, this makes it harder to interop with mac working environments which was my biggest usecase for this device. Sure, I can do other safari windows for research and stuff, but what I really want is different windows of IDEs, code search, docs, and work artifacts. Many of which may not be accessible through the vision pro (VPN, device certs, etc.), but are through my macbook. If we could have at least 4 or 5 mac windows, it would be much better, otherwise it's akin to a macbook + external monitor. Hopefully they figure out a way to add it in, but it's hard to buy with such an obvious usecase missing.
HDThoreaun 3y ago
VSCode native app when
- rpmisms 3y ago
  If it uses the Mac as a devserver, probably really soon.

strunz 3y ago

Can you describe the tasks you will actually be doing like this and why this headset is actually helpful?

mynameisvlad 3y ago
> the ability to walk around the room and place different open Safari windows and apps around my physical space as I think and study some new topic This seems like a perfectly reasonable task and why it is useful.
- kccqzy 3y ago
  GP has said > I plan to use it with a keyboard and mouse anyway And judging from reviews this seems required for productivity. I cannot imagine walking around the room with one hand holding a keyboard and another holding a mouse. Maybe they need to sell a contraption that straps a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to your body so much you can move around hands free?
  - mynameisvlad 3y ago
    Just because you don't see a use case doesn't mean one doesn't exist. The original comment explained perfectly well how they would use it. If that use case suits them, then its their prerogative. This gatekeeping of use cases is so odd; why does it matter so much how someone else uses the device?
    - kccqzy 3y ago
      Just because I don't see a use case doesn't mean I'm unilaterally stating a use case doesn't exist. I'm simply stating my opinion as to why this device doesn't suit me; to be more precise I'm stating why somebody else's use case is not my use case. Why do you assume my comment is supposed to generalize to everybody's use cases?
    - eviks 3y ago
      It's not perfectly explained due to the apparent contradiction

saiya-jin 3y ago

There is always an idea what one needs, the idea itself is perfect, flawless. Then there is reality. Those never meet, good luck with getting them at least close

kccqzy 3y ago

The hand tracking system is among the faults in the review. I'm not sure whether this will be addressed by having a real keyboard and mouse. The reviewer never tried the device with a real mouse. Do you know how the experience will be when using a mouse rather than the hand-tracking system? Anyways this sounds infuriating: > you have to be looking at something in order to click on it, and that means you are constantly taking your attention away from whatever you’re working on to specifically look at the button you need to press next. I spent some time playing a lovely little game called Stitch that quickly became maddening because I kept looking away from the piece I wanted to move to the place I wanted to move it, which meant I wasn’t picking it up when I tapped my fingers. And also: > I talk through writing video scripts to make sure things flow, and I talk with my hands. So as I was writing the video script for this review in the Vision Pro, the system kept catching my hands moving and started scrolling and clicking on things by accident. I cracked up the first time I realized what was happening. But eventually, it meant that I took the Vision Pro off and wrote the rest of the script on my Mac, which only does things when I actually want it to.

elicash 3y ago
Brian Tong's review shows use of it with a trackpad, 9:09 in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkPw6ScHyb4&t=549s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkPw6ScHyb4&t=549s This seems, to me, the only possible way to use this as a productivity device and wish more reviews would have tried it to get a better sense of whether it changes things. Gruber's review also talks about the trackpad a bit: https://daringfireball.net/2024/01/the_vision_pro https://daringfireball.net/2024/01/the_vision_pro

rootusrootus 3y ago

> the ability to walk around the room and place different open Safari windows and apps around my physical space as I think and study some new topic That right there might be worth the price of admission.

globular-toast 3y ago

So are you going to use a keyboard and mouse or not? It sounds like you're going to buy this regardless. Why are you trying to justify it to us?

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