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Used to periodically get a c&d email from FB lawyers for some harmless software I published. Always completely ignored it, not even responding to acknowledge re

Used to periodically get a c&d email from FB lawyers for some harmless software I published. Always completely ignored it, not even responding to acknowledge receipt. It eventually stopped. I figure they gave up and focused their efforts on targets who showed they would be responsive to threats. It was 100% bullying.

pydry 3y ago
Was it trademark related?
louisbarclay 3y ago
super useful to know - could I interview you about this to add to the guide? you can find contact details on my personal site louis.work
dawnerd 3y ago
Similar back when apps on profiles were a thing. Apparently doing things like creating a scoreboard for pokes was against the terms.
londons_explore 3y ago
Even acknowledging receipt gives them a lot of power. Remember that they probably have a list of hundreds or thousands of C&D's to send, and if you don't respond they would probably need to file a john doe lawsuit to get your identity from your ISP, and it's unlikely that all that effort is worth it to them.
- ericmcer 3y ago
  It would be funny if legal teams at huge companies have OKRs and evaluations. “You hit your target of 250 C&Ds this quarter great work”. Justifying your paycheck is scarier when thinking about the legal dept.
  - litenboll 3y ago
    Do you know they don't? Otherwise I would assume they have dumb incentives like that. In my previous company the legal team measured the number of "takedowns" of countefeit merch etc. as a key number. I assume this helped to hurt their effort to prevent counterfeit in the first place.
  - htrp 3y ago
    Legal absolutely has OKRs.... usually around management of a hypothetical legal liability and how much they reduced it by when it came to actual payouts or vice versa
edm0nd 3y ago
Good ole Perkins Coie.
KieranMac 3y ago
It is worth pointing out that FB has a long history of litigating this issue, from Power Ventures, to BrandTotal, to Octoparse, to Voyager Labs and more. And they have about 80-90% track record of success. Obviously, they send C&Ds more often than they file litigation. But to act as if this is a completely idle threat is naive.

pydry 3y ago

Was it trademark related?

louisbarclay 3y ago

super useful to know - could I interview you about this to add to the guide? you can find contact details on my personal site louis.work

dawnerd 3y ago

Similar back when apps on profiles were a thing. Apparently doing things like creating a scoreboard for pokes was against the terms.

londons_explore 3y ago

Even acknowledging receipt gives them a lot of power. Remember that they probably have a list of hundreds or thousands of C&D's to send, and if you don't respond they would probably need to file a john doe lawsuit to get your identity from your ISP, and it's unlikely that all that effort is worth it to them.

ericmcer 3y ago
It would be funny if legal teams at huge companies have OKRs and evaluations. “You hit your target of 250 C&Ds this quarter great work”. Justifying your paycheck is scarier when thinking about the legal dept.
- litenboll 3y ago
  Do you know they don't? Otherwise I would assume they have dumb incentives like that. In my previous company the legal team measured the number of "takedowns" of countefeit merch etc. as a key number. I assume this helped to hurt their effort to prevent counterfeit in the first place.
- htrp 3y ago
  Legal absolutely has OKRs.... usually around management of a hypothetical legal liability and how much they reduced it by when it came to actual payouts or vice versa

edm0nd 3y ago

Good ole Perkins Coie.

KieranMac 3y ago

It is worth pointing out that FB has a long history of litigating this issue, from Power Ventures, to BrandTotal, to Octoparse, to Voyager Labs and more. And they have about 80-90% track record of success. Obviously, they send C&Ds more often than they file litigation. But to act as if this is a completely idle threat is naive.