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Ha, I was downvoted and told "why do we need controllers, the iphone and macbook dont come with controllers" yesterday when I said this is stupid without contro

by swozey 3y ago

Ha, I was downvoted and told "why do we need controllers, the iphone and macbook dont come with controllers" yesterday when I said this is stupid without controllers. I have a vive, q2 and q3. Look at him trying to type on that keyboard. I have hand gestures on my q3. They're nice for a few certain things, but thankfully I can forget they exist for 99% of what I do, that isn't flinging windows/screens left and right and expanding them in front of me. Or turning wifi on and off, etc.. And.. you can't do multiple screens and it has less resolution than my real life monitor when connecting to a mbp.. hm. I thought that was a super cool feature when I thought you could just add monitors wherever. I hadn't even thought of it before they showed it in the demo.

nickthegreek 3y ago
Pains me to think about what this sucker would cost with controllers (which I agree are needed for many VR experiences).
- jayd16 3y ago
  Who knows what Apple would charge but the BOM for a bluetooth controller with LEDs is not a lot when they already have good-enough hand tracking.
  - jsheard 3y ago
    Yeah, the way the non-Pro Quest controllers are implemented isn't expensive at all. The tracking hardware is just commodity accelerometers/gyroscopes for high resolution (albeit only relative) motion sensing, and a constellation of IR LEDs to give a clear reference point for the headset cameras to follow in absolute space and correct the IMU drift. Knowing Apple they would more likely follow the lead of the Quest Pro controllers though, which have their own set of cameras and perform their own inside-out tracking independently of the headset. It's expensive and power hungry but more robust since they work just as well when the headset can't see the controllers.
- swozey 3y ago
  I'm so bummed that this is what they came out with. If it was some insane res better than pancake lense with no screen door effect or color wash out at all and had some amazingly well researched controllers that finally rocket shipped VR AND AR they'd have much more of a market and I'd consider one. But maybe in my 5 years these will be in every single hospital, school, etc. Who knows.
hbn 3y ago
> And.. you can't do multiple screens and it has less resolution than my real life monitor when connecting to a mbp I think there's still appeal in that you can take this monitor with you and float it in front of you wherever you want. That's worth the reduced resolution imo
- spectre3d 3y ago
  > you can take this monitor with you and float it in front of you wherever you want. That's worth the reduced resolution If you’re satisfied with using only iPhone and iPad apps, then fair enough.
janeshchhabra 3y ago
> And.. you can't do multiple screens and it has less resolution than my real life monitor when connecting to a mbp.. hm. I thought that was a super cool feature when I thought you could just add monitors wherever. I hadn't even thought of it before they showed it in the demo. That's the main feature I would have bought this device for - seamless window sharing between apple devices/macbooks. Sad to see it isn't the case. Hopefully the immersed visor [0] pans out for work! Excited to try vision pro, but seeming likely that I'll end up returning it by the 2 week period. [0] - https://www.visor.com/ https://www.visor.com/. Disclaimer, I have a preorder for both Visor and Vision Pro.
- gamblor956 3y ago
  Hopefully the immersed visor [0] pans out for work!. $40 monthly membership. And that's the cheaper option to get the cool features like multiple work spaces and the extended battery. I get the feeling that the Visor will not be long for this world if they don't change their business model.
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- swozey 3y ago
  Did you consider the Big Screen? I know nothing about the Vision or the Big Screen but they seem similar-ish. edit: Now that I've watched the visor video it seems almost 100% focused on productivity with monitors, interesting
johnnyanmac 3y ago
But the iphone and macbook do have controllers. what are people typing on? The problem is that we're even farther away from the whole sci-fi "type of a virtual keyboard projected into space" sort of control, so that's not an option yet.

by swozey 3y ago

nickthegreek 3y ago

Pains me to think about what this sucker would cost with controllers (which I agree are needed for many VR experiences).

jayd16 3y ago
Who knows what Apple would charge but the BOM for a bluetooth controller with LEDs is not a lot when they already have good-enough hand tracking.
- jsheard 3y ago
  Yeah, the way the non-Pro Quest controllers are implemented isn't expensive at all. The tracking hardware is just commodity accelerometers/gyroscopes for high resolution (albeit only relative) motion sensing, and a constellation of IR LEDs to give a clear reference point for the headset cameras to follow in absolute space and correct the IMU drift. Knowing Apple they would more likely follow the lead of the Quest Pro controllers though, which have their own set of cameras and perform their own inside-out tracking independently of the headset. It's expensive and power hungry but more robust since they work just as well when the headset can't see the controllers.
swozey 3y ago
I'm so bummed that this is what they came out with. If it was some insane res better than pancake lense with no screen door effect or color wash out at all and had some amazingly well researched controllers that finally rocket shipped VR AND AR they'd have much more of a market and I'd consider one. But maybe in my 5 years these will be in every single hospital, school, etc. Who knows.

hbn 3y ago

> And.. you can't do multiple screens and it has less resolution than my real life monitor when connecting to a mbp I think there's still appeal in that you can take this monitor with you and float it in front of you wherever you want. That's worth the reduced resolution imo

spectre3d 3y ago
> you can take this monitor with you and float it in front of you wherever you want. That's worth the reduced resolution If you’re satisfied with using only iPhone and iPad apps, then fair enough.

janeshchhabra 3y ago

> And.. you can't do multiple screens and it has less resolution than my real life monitor when connecting to a mbp.. hm. I thought that was a super cool feature when I thought you could just add monitors wherever. I hadn't even thought of it before they showed it in the demo. That's the main feature I would have bought this device for - seamless window sharing between apple devices/macbooks. Sad to see it isn't the case. Hopefully the immersed visor [0] pans out for work! Excited to try vision pro, but seeming likely that I'll end up returning it by the 2 week period. [0] - https://www.visor.com/ https://www.visor.com/. Disclaimer, I have a preorder for both Visor and Vision Pro.

gamblor956 3y ago
Hopefully the immersed visor [0] pans out for work!. $40 monthly membership. And that's the cheaper option to get the cool features like multiple work spaces and the extended battery. I get the feeling that the Visor will not be long for this world if they don't change their business model.
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swozey 3y ago
Did you consider the Big Screen? I know nothing about the Vision or the Big Screen but they seem similar-ish. edit: Now that I've watched the visor video it seems almost 100% focused on productivity with monitors, interesting

johnnyanmac 3y ago

But the iphone and macbook do have controllers. what are people typing on? The problem is that we're even farther away from the whole sci-fi "type of a virtual keyboard projected into space" sort of control, so that's not an option yet.