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Just because you don’t think you “have anything to hide” doesn’t mean it should be normalized. Governments change, policies change, leaks happen, one might be i

by dewey 3y ago

Just because you don’t think you “have anything to hide” doesn’t mean it should be normalized. Governments change, policies change, leaks happen, one might be in a group that’s suddenly suspicious etc.

corethree 3y ago
I literally said even criminals don't have to worry. I think my main point here is not only is there too much data. But that the reason for too much data is most of it is fluff data no one gives a shit about. That's the key. Your data and my data is the fluff. Nobody cares for it. Amazon doesn't give a flying shit about you. You're not important. At best you data is analyzed by an algorithm and you're served the relevant ads. Oooh shit big deal.
- yvely 3y ago
  >...and you're served the relevant ads. Should probably correct this to: ...and the analysis yields a personality model that helps best manipulate you That it is currently being used for relevant ads is just one outcome, incidentally also an attempt at manipulating you, but that's more my disdain for the ad industry talking.
  - corethree 3y ago
    You can word it like that. But in actuality I don't care and most people behave exactly like me. Ads are just an annoyance mostly.
bena 3y ago
I think you missed what he was trying to say. He's not saying he has nothing to hide, he's saying it's easy to hide when you generate garbage the vast majority of the time. It's kind of related to that old software adage: There are two methods in software design. One is to make the program so simple, there are obviously no errors. The other is to make it so complicated, there are no obvious errors. There are two ways to protect your privacy. One is to tell people absolutely nothing about yourself. This way requires constant vigilance. The other is tell people everything about yourself and then make up some stuff. Pretty soon people won't be able to distinguish between noise and signal.
- titzer 3y ago
  > Pretty soon people won't be able to distinguish between noise and signal. People suck at randomizing things and computers are stupidly good a processing huge amounts of data and recovering the signal from the noise. The solution is not to add noise, but to remove signal. Generally adding noise is the first thing laypeople think of. Too bad there's whole fields of signal analysis, information theory, noise modeling, and the persistence of side-channels with over a century of work that make plucking the weak signal from noise relatively easy. Oh, and did I mention they have COMPUTERS?
  - bena 3y ago
    It doesn't even have to be random, just wrong. And much like running from a bear, you don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than the other guy. You don't have to be perfect, just more effort than it's worth.

by dewey 3y ago

corethree 3y ago

I literally said even criminals don't have to worry. I think my main point here is not only is there too much data. But that the reason for too much data is most of it is fluff data no one gives a shit about. That's the key. Your data and my data is the fluff. Nobody cares for it. Amazon doesn't give a flying shit about you. You're not important. At best you data is analyzed by an algorithm and you're served the relevant ads. Oooh shit big deal.

yvely 3y ago
>...and you're served the relevant ads. Should probably correct this to: ...and the analysis yields a personality model that helps best manipulate you That it is currently being used for relevant ads is just one outcome, incidentally also an attempt at manipulating you, but that's more my disdain for the ad industry talking.
- corethree 3y ago
  You can word it like that. But in actuality I don't care and most people behave exactly like me. Ads are just an annoyance mostly.

bena 3y ago

I think you missed what he was trying to say. He's not saying he has nothing to hide, he's saying it's easy to hide when you generate garbage the vast majority of the time. It's kind of related to that old software adage: There are two methods in software design. One is to make the program so simple, there are obviously no errors. The other is to make it so complicated, there are no obvious errors. There are two ways to protect your privacy. One is to tell people absolutely nothing about yourself. This way requires constant vigilance. The other is tell people everything about yourself and then make up some stuff. Pretty soon people won't be able to distinguish between noise and signal.

titzer 3y ago
> Pretty soon people won't be able to distinguish between noise and signal. People suck at randomizing things and computers are stupidly good a processing huge amounts of data and recovering the signal from the noise. The solution is not to add noise, but to remove signal. Generally adding noise is the first thing laypeople think of. Too bad there's whole fields of signal analysis, information theory, noise modeling, and the persistence of side-channels with over a century of work that make plucking the weak signal from noise relatively easy. Oh, and did I mention they have COMPUTERS?
- bena 3y ago
  It doesn't even have to be random, just wrong. And much like running from a bear, you don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than the other guy. You don't have to be perfect, just more effort than it's worth.