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In Europe electricity is expensive, though. If you pay 50c€ per kWh, energy efficiency does matter. Less heat also allows for a more compact or mobile design.

In Europe electricity is expensive, though. If you pay 50c€ per kWh, energy efficiency does matter. Less heat also allows for a more compact or mobile design. Smaller builds are gaining popularity.

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DanielHB 3y ago
True, I actually have been underclocking my RTX 3800 to keep heat and costs down.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>Smaller builds are gaining popularity. Gaining popularity in the ever shrinking market of PCs is nothing to brag about. I'd wager it's still not that popular as you make it be. Everyone just buys laptops nowadays and whoever they do buy PCs they get the full sized towers with discrete GPUs for gaming, not small form factors with APUs. That's more of a niche of a niche. That's why AMD hasn't focused too much on APUs for desktop PCs. It's not a big market. Their biggest sellers are APUs for notebooks and consoles, CPUs for datacenters and desktops, discrete GPUs for ... everything.
- Scrutiny6707 3y ago
  It's been an "ever shrinking market" since the 2000s, if you believe the news. A thing to consider is, for the consumer market, machines have gotten good enough that most don't need a new machine for 5+ years, in terms of performance. Especially for casual household tasks.
- jijijijij 3y ago
  No, you are right. I think this APU is basically a spin-off mobile processor. The technology comparison would be translatable, though, as with laptops battery life and weight matters. However, here we talk about the desktop market, don't we? And not every desktop PC has to be a gaming capable machine. Power-savings will probably be even more relevant for organizations running hundreds of office machines and terminals.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >And not every desktop PC has to be a gaming capable machine. Yes, but desktop PCs not for gaming aren't really selling volumes nowadays, they're a tiny niche being eaten by notebooks and NUCs (also a niche) which Intel has been dominating as they had CPUs with iGPUs (basically APUs without the marketing) since ... forever. >Power-savings will probably be even more relevant for organizations running hundreds of office machines and terminals. When was the last time you saw organizations buy PCs for their workforce? In volume I mean, not just one PC for Bob who needed a CAD workstation, because then Bob most likely isn't getting an APU for CAD but some workstation with discrete CPU and some Quadro GPU. Organizations mostly transitioned their office machines to notebooks a long time ago, even moreso after WFH became more popular so there was less need of PCs tied to a fixed location. PCs not for gaming or heavy compute workstations aren't big sellers anymore.
    - jijijijij 3y ago
      In my experience, bureaucracy doesn't run on laptops.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        On what does it run on? Yeah, I'm sure governments do buy some amount of desktop PCs because they don't intend for their workforce to work from anywhere else other than a specific office, but you also can't tell me with a straight face that selling PCs to the DMV, FBI and other bureaucrats represents a big lucrative market that was waiting for the APU revolution. PCs are a low selling niche now. APUs won't move the needle on that, that's why AMD ignored it for so long. End of story.
        jijijijij 3y ago
        I think you are moving the goal post a bit.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago

In Europe electricity is expensive, though. If you pay 50c€ per kWh, energy efficiency does matter. Less heat also allows for a more compact or mobile design. Smaller builds are gaining popularity.

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DanielHB 3y ago

True, I actually have been underclocking my RTX 3800 to keep heat and costs down.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>Smaller builds are gaining popularity. Gaining popularity in the ever shrinking market of PCs is nothing to brag about. I'd wager it's still not that popular as you make it be. Everyone just buys laptops nowadays and whoever they do buy PCs they get the full sized towers with discrete GPUs for gaming, not small form factors with APUs. That's more of a niche of a niche. That's why AMD hasn't focused too much on APUs for desktop PCs. It's not a big market. Their biggest sellers are APUs for notebooks and consoles, CPUs for datacenters and desktops, discrete GPUs for ... everything.

Scrutiny6707 3y ago
It's been an "ever shrinking market" since the 2000s, if you believe the news. A thing to consider is, for the consumer market, machines have gotten good enough that most don't need a new machine for 5+ years, in terms of performance. Especially for casual household tasks.
jijijijij 3y ago
No, you are right. I think this APU is basically a spin-off mobile processor. The technology comparison would be translatable, though, as with laptops battery life and weight matters. However, here we talk about the desktop market, don't we? And not every desktop PC has to be a gaming capable machine. Power-savings will probably be even more relevant for organizations running hundreds of office machines and terminals.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >And not every desktop PC has to be a gaming capable machine. Yes, but desktop PCs not for gaming aren't really selling volumes nowadays, they're a tiny niche being eaten by notebooks and NUCs (also a niche) which Intel has been dominating as they had CPUs with iGPUs (basically APUs without the marketing) since ... forever. >Power-savings will probably be even more relevant for organizations running hundreds of office machines and terminals. When was the last time you saw organizations buy PCs for their workforce? In volume I mean, not just one PC for Bob who needed a CAD workstation, because then Bob most likely isn't getting an APU for CAD but some workstation with discrete CPU and some Quadro GPU. Organizations mostly transitioned their office machines to notebooks a long time ago, even moreso after WFH became more popular so there was less need of PCs tied to a fixed location. PCs not for gaming or heavy compute workstations aren't big sellers anymore.
  - jijijijij 3y ago
    In my experience, bureaucracy doesn't run on laptops.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      On what does it run on? Yeah, I'm sure governments do buy some amount of desktop PCs because they don't intend for their workforce to work from anywhere else other than a specific office, but you also can't tell me with a straight face that selling PCs to the DMV, FBI and other bureaucrats represents a big lucrative market that was waiting for the APU revolution. PCs are a low selling niche now. APUs won't move the needle on that, that's why AMD ignored it for so long. End of story.
      - jijijijij 3y ago
        I think you are moving the goal post a bit.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago