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So much to dig through here. >Wood shows full video, "reportedly with internet connectivity issues from his home computer" There's one for the back to office

So much to dig through here. >Wood shows full video, "reportedly with internet connectivity issues from his home computer" There's one for the back to office lot. >wheels were moving at different speeds (because one wheel was spinning on pedestrian's leg) Eurgh. But in general, this is Cruise learning what traditional car companies already knew - you need to act with integrity. I don't see how senior executives at cruise could reasonably be allowed to continue to work in any safety critical industry after this.

chefandy 3y ago
Well, they need to act with integrity towards safety regulators, anyway. I wouldn’t say the auto industry, broadly, has the greatest reputation for integrity.
- logifail 3y ago
  > I wouldn’t say the auto industry, broadly, has the greatest reputation for integrity Compared with whom? Boeing?
  - michaelt 3y ago
    Well, from the streetcar conspiracy [1] to the Ford Pinto [2] to Dieselgate [3] the auto industry isn't exactly famous for honesty. And there's also the climate change, and the ~40,000 deaths per year in car accidents in the US. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Cost%E2%80%93benefit_analysis,_the_Pinto_Memo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Cost%E2%80%93benefi... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
  - chefandy 3y ago
    How about VW deliberately cheating emissions tests with their fuel injector code? You can be notably bad without being the worst.
kjksf 3y ago
Volkswagen was fined over 10 billions dollars due to intentionally faking emissions tests. Toyota just had a similar scandal where they were faking certifications tests. Those are 2 largest car makers. Fiat Chrysler was bribing uaw bosses to get favorable terms. There's no integrity.
- nunez 3y ago
  And there is plenty of history on car companies cheating on the US EPA emissions test; VW happened to be the most flagrant about it
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potatolicious 3y ago
> "But in general, this is Cruise learning what traditional car companies already knew - you need to act with integrity" Agreed - but also a key mantra in political and crisis communications: the coverup is what kills you. The coverup (or just the appearance of it) is far more damaging than the acute crisis itself.
- nojvek 3y ago
  We don't know what else they covered up. They just got caught this time.
  - potatolicious 3y ago
    And that's exactly why the coverup kills you. The acute crisis says "we fucked up", which is survivable in most cases. The coverup says "there may be a nearly-infinite number of severe fuckups in our product that you do not know about", which is far less survivable. Fuckups lose trust. Coverups make you fundamentally untrustable. One is far, far worse than the other.
Bukhmanizer 3y ago
> But in general, this is Cruise learning what traditional car companies already knew - you need to act with integrity What do you mean? Cruise is owned by GM. It is a traditional car company. And also traditional car companies do sketchy things literally all the time.

chefandy 3y ago

Well, they need to act with integrity towards safety regulators, anyway. I wouldn’t say the auto industry, broadly, has the greatest reputation for integrity.

logifail 3y ago
> I wouldn’t say the auto industry, broadly, has the greatest reputation for integrity Compared with whom? Boeing?
- michaelt 3y ago
  Well, from the streetcar conspiracy [1] to the Ford Pinto [2] to Dieselgate [3] the auto industry isn't exactly famous for honesty. And there's also the climate change, and the ~40,000 deaths per year in car accidents in the US. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Cost%E2%80%93benefit_analysis,_the_Pinto_Memo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Cost%E2%80%93benefi... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
- chefandy 3y ago
  How about VW deliberately cheating emissions tests with their fuel injector code? You can be notably bad without being the worst.

kjksf 3y ago

Volkswagen was fined over 10 billions dollars due to intentionally faking emissions tests. Toyota just had a similar scandal where they were faking certifications tests. Those are 2 largest car makers. Fiat Chrysler was bribing uaw bosses to get favorable terms. There's no integrity.

nunez 3y ago
And there is plenty of history on car companies cheating on the US EPA emissions test; VW happened to be the most flagrant about it

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potatolicious 3y ago

> "But in general, this is Cruise learning what traditional car companies already knew - you need to act with integrity" Agreed - but also a key mantra in political and crisis communications: the coverup is what kills you. The coverup (or just the appearance of it) is far more damaging than the acute crisis itself.

nojvek 3y ago
We don't know what else they covered up. They just got caught this time.
- potatolicious 3y ago
  And that's exactly why the coverup kills you. The acute crisis says "we fucked up", which is survivable in most cases. The coverup says "there may be a nearly-infinite number of severe fuckups in our product that you do not know about", which is far less survivable. Fuckups lose trust. Coverups make you fundamentally untrustable. One is far, far worse than the other.

Bukhmanizer 3y ago

> But in general, this is Cruise learning what traditional car companies already knew - you need to act with integrity What do you mean? Cruise is owned by GM. It is a traditional car company. And also traditional car companies do sketchy things literally all the time.