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I found this part quite notable: > 10-02, 9:29pm: accident occurs > 10-03, 1:30am: AV back at Cruise facility I don't think the police would let an ordinary

I found this part quite notable: > 10-02, 9:29pm: accident occurs > 10-03, 1:30am: AV back at Cruise facility I don't think the police would let an ordinary driver have their car back 4 hours after they ran over a pedestrian! I think they'd keep it for some time to aid their investigation. Is Cruise treated differently here, or am I just wrong? I'm also surprised they seem to be sharing video by starting a video call and then screen-sharing while it plays?? I'm struggling to come up with a better strategy for degrading the quality.

mschuster91 3y ago
> I'm also surprised they seem to be sharing video by starting a video call and then screen-sharing while it plays?? I'm struggling to come up with a better strategy for degrading the quality. It's a very effective way to prevent the video from being spread through the entire Internet faster than anyone can reasonably act.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  Usually subjects of investigation don't get to choose the mode in which they share evidence
  - nmeofthestate 3y ago
    That's true - without excusing Cruise, the investigators really dropped the ball by accepting that way of a video being shared with them.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    Investigations should happen blameless, behind closed doors, not with stuff being spread all over the internet and armchair experts negatively impacting the investigation with completely unfounded speculations. That's at least the way aeronautic and European railway investigations happen, and for good reasons - you don't want people holding back evidence for fear of repercussions.
    - Vecr 3y ago
      In the US people on the Internet will have ATC recordings almost immediately. The government's accountable to the people, not the other way around.
simondotau 3y ago
Presumably the reasons why police want to retain a car in a investigation don't apply here. They know who (what) the driver was, and with the telemetry from the vehicle, they can know exactly what happened. They don't need to collect evidence to prove which human was behind the wheel. There's no point searching for drugs or alcohol. They don't need to dust for fingerprints. They don't need to confirm that damage to the vehicle corroborates eyewitness accounts about what collided where.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  Still doesn't make any sense. NTSB doesn't let airline take custody of plane immediately. You want time to recover data, investigate the physical condition of the aircraft/vehicle, etc. How thorough of the job can the police do in the dark from 9:30pm-1:30am? This completely looks like a special snowflake exception that Cruise, given its behavior afterwards, should not have had... and at this point, should not be trusted to have again.
  - mcny 3y ago
    I think you hinted at the real reason but didn’t spell it out. There are no protocols to follow, lists of checkboxes to check, or “perpetrators” to harass in a self-driving car collision (I have to remind myself to avoid the word accident). At least that is my guess. It is important to remember I think that to the police officers this is just a day in their job they are clocking in and out. They are just following their instructions. It might be life changing for someone who got hit but the world just keeps spinning.
    - steveBK123 3y ago
      How do you check the basic mechanicals of the car at that hour? So that the driver (automated or human) cannot later claim "oh there was a mechanical failure" ? What's to stop Cruise or other bad actors to take possession of the car and then clip the brake lines to claim it was actually an OEM vanilla car mechanical fault and not their AV hardware/software? It's not that outlandish. You already have them doing a whole bunch of lies of omission and smoke screening their video evidence, enough so to trigger a wave of resignation/firings.

mschuster91 3y ago

> I'm also surprised they seem to be sharing video by starting a video call and then screen-sharing while it plays?? I'm struggling to come up with a better strategy for degrading the quality. It's a very effective way to prevent the video from being spread through the entire Internet faster than anyone can reasonably act.

steveBK123 3y ago
Usually subjects of investigation don't get to choose the mode in which they share evidence
- nmeofthestate 3y ago
  That's true - without excusing Cruise, the investigators really dropped the ball by accepting that way of a video being shared with them.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  Investigations should happen blameless, behind closed doors, not with stuff being spread all over the internet and armchair experts negatively impacting the investigation with completely unfounded speculations. That's at least the way aeronautic and European railway investigations happen, and for good reasons - you don't want people holding back evidence for fear of repercussions.
  - Vecr 3y ago
    In the US people on the Internet will have ATC recordings almost immediately. The government's accountable to the people, not the other way around.

simondotau 3y ago

Presumably the reasons why police want to retain a car in a investigation don't apply here. They know who (what) the driver was, and with the telemetry from the vehicle, they can know exactly what happened. They don't need to collect evidence to prove which human was behind the wheel. There's no point searching for drugs or alcohol. They don't need to dust for fingerprints. They don't need to confirm that damage to the vehicle corroborates eyewitness accounts about what collided where.

steveBK123 3y ago
Still doesn't make any sense. NTSB doesn't let airline take custody of plane immediately. You want time to recover data, investigate the physical condition of the aircraft/vehicle, etc. How thorough of the job can the police do in the dark from 9:30pm-1:30am? This completely looks like a special snowflake exception that Cruise, given its behavior afterwards, should not have had... and at this point, should not be trusted to have again.
- mcny 3y ago
  I think you hinted at the real reason but didn’t spell it out. There are no protocols to follow, lists of checkboxes to check, or “perpetrators” to harass in a self-driving car collision (I have to remind myself to avoid the word accident). At least that is my guess. It is important to remember I think that to the police officers this is just a day in their job they are clocking in and out. They are just following their instructions. It might be life changing for someone who got hit but the world just keeps spinning.
  - steveBK123 3y ago
    How do you check the basic mechanicals of the car at that hour? So that the driver (automated or human) cannot later claim "oh there was a mechanical failure" ? What's to stop Cruise or other bad actors to take possession of the car and then clip the brake lines to claim it was actually an OEM vanilla car mechanical fault and not their AV hardware/software? It's not that outlandish. You already have them doing a whole bunch of lies of omission and smoke screening their video evidence, enough so to trigger a wave of resignation/firings.