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That is the story of just about every technology.... or even community Sad but it remains true, Thing is created > Small but devoted group discovers and popu

That is the story of just about every technology.... or even community Sad but it remains true, Thing is created > Small but devoted group discovers and popularized thing > Thing raises to mass popularity > The masses what to change the thing to be what they think it "should be" diverging from what the small but devoted group desired or signed on for > Thing becomes unrecognizable to the original group > New thing is created > Small but devoted group.... and the cycle continues So the question is what will replace the Pi for the hacker community, I personally stopped buying Pi's for my personal projects a long time ago, rPI3 was the last one for me. Soo many other manufactures of SBC's out there making better, cheaper boards.

theodric 3y ago
If the Pi gets replaced, Chinese trash that is abandoned in a half-working state after zero updates will replace the Pi.* Or thin clients. Dark days ahead. *like, just random example, the Radxa Rock 3 https://youtu.be/KghZIgkKZcs https://youtu.be/KghZIgkKZcs
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  in this context what makes a difference if it is a Chinese companies abandoning the product vs a British company. Is china the only nations making "trash".... Further your video shows off several replacements with 1 having some kind of incompatibility with some carrier boards... Personally I have never been a fan of the Compute Module form factor anyway.. I prefer the full SBC boards. I think the Compute Module form factor lends itself to more complexity and issues. The SBC Market is huge now, and sure you can point to market failures, companies that dont survive, products that get abandoned every market will have those, and I see that as a GOOD THING. not a bad thing. That is capitalism, which I love, at work.
  - theodric 3y ago
    The British company hasn't abandoned anything. The Raspberry Pi 1 still has full, modern, feature-parity support in Raspberry Pi OS, eleven years after launch. But fine-- in my trash bin you'll find a Cubietruck, an Asus Tinkerboard, a MangoPi MQ-Pro, and several other Chinese SoC compute sticks. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me 5 times, shame on me. All were basically given up on by the original manufacturer, and some had some degree of support through Armbian (albeit with numerous features lost due to being walled off behind some inscrutable binary blob). The current alternative darling of the SBC enthusiast world, the Rockchip RK3588[S], does not have mainline kernel support and depends on a faux-5.x-series frankenkernel provided by Rockchip. Mainline support has been coming Real Soon Now for at least a year, and is in theory making progress, but I can't spend promises at the supermarket. If capitalism works by selling people a piece of shit that barely does what it's supposed to do at launch, doesn't have mainline support, and is consigned to the dustbin after a single dev cycle or two because the manufacturer has moved on to the next piece of shit they will sell to the next mark and then abandon shortly thereafter, then I guess I'm anti-capitalism now. They tell me it used to be about making money by selling a decent product, rather than selling obsolescence-at-launch, thereby scamming people by design. I don't need that kind of capitalism, but there's a lot of it coming out of China these days.
    - kelnos 3y ago
      Same. I didn't go quite down the rabbit hole you did, but I have a Cubieboard and reSpeaker that both ended up in the trash. Software on both were garbage, and the reSpeaker also had unstable hardware. Meanwhile the only problem I ever had with Raspberry Pi boards was a camera socket that eventually went bad on one RPi3... and this is across probably 12-15 boards. The software support has always been there, and the hardware itself has always been pretty solid. And this is despite the fact that they use a weird closed Broadcom chipset with a weird architecture and weird bootup sequence.

theodric 3y ago

If the Pi gets replaced, Chinese trash that is abandoned in a half-working state after zero updates will replace the Pi.* Or thin clients. Dark days ahead. *like, just random example, the Radxa Rock 3 https://youtu.be/KghZIgkKZcs https://youtu.be/KghZIgkKZcs

phpisthebest 3y ago
in this context what makes a difference if it is a Chinese companies abandoning the product vs a British company. Is china the only nations making "trash".... Further your video shows off several replacements with 1 having some kind of incompatibility with some carrier boards... Personally I have never been a fan of the Compute Module form factor anyway.. I prefer the full SBC boards. I think the Compute Module form factor lends itself to more complexity and issues. The SBC Market is huge now, and sure you can point to market failures, companies that dont survive, products that get abandoned every market will have those, and I see that as a GOOD THING. not a bad thing. That is capitalism, which I love, at work.
- theodric 3y ago
  The British company hasn't abandoned anything. The Raspberry Pi 1 still has full, modern, feature-parity support in Raspberry Pi OS, eleven years after launch. But fine-- in my trash bin you'll find a Cubietruck, an Asus Tinkerboard, a MangoPi MQ-Pro, and several other Chinese SoC compute sticks. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me 5 times, shame on me. All were basically given up on by the original manufacturer, and some had some degree of support through Armbian (albeit with numerous features lost due to being walled off behind some inscrutable binary blob). The current alternative darling of the SBC enthusiast world, the Rockchip RK3588[S], does not have mainline kernel support and depends on a faux-5.x-series frankenkernel provided by Rockchip. Mainline support has been coming Real Soon Now for at least a year, and is in theory making progress, but I can't spend promises at the supermarket. If capitalism works by selling people a piece of shit that barely does what it's supposed to do at launch, doesn't have mainline support, and is consigned to the dustbin after a single dev cycle or two because the manufacturer has moved on to the next piece of shit they will sell to the next mark and then abandon shortly thereafter, then I guess I'm anti-capitalism now. They tell me it used to be about making money by selling a decent product, rather than selling obsolescence-at-launch, thereby scamming people by design. I don't need that kind of capitalism, but there's a lot of it coming out of China these days.
  - kelnos 3y ago
    Same. I didn't go quite down the rabbit hole you did, but I have a Cubieboard and reSpeaker that both ended up in the trash. Software on both were garbage, and the reSpeaker also had unstable hardware. Meanwhile the only problem I ever had with Raspberry Pi boards was a camera socket that eventually went bad on one RPi3... and this is across probably 12-15 boards. The software support has always been there, and the hardware itself has always been pretty solid. And this is despite the fact that they use a weird closed Broadcom chipset with a weird architecture and weird bootup sequence.