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Yes, because there's also no scientific evidence to support these fad diets. Of course, somebody who has been eating like shit and then switches to a "keto" die

by shafyy 3y ago

Yes, because there's also no scientific evidence to support these fad diets. Of course, somebody who has been eating like shit and then switches to a "keto" diet will lose weight and might feel better. Scientific evidence is clear that a whole food, plant-based is the best diet. I mean, it also makes common sense to eat a balanced diet to get all the different macro and micro nutritients, minerals and vitamins. The "carb is bad!" line is just wrong. Eating one or two slices if fresh, whole weat bread is not unhealthy, it's healthy! It contains a lot of fiber, protein, vitamins and minerals. But of course, eating frozen pizza is unhealthy because it contains jackshit. Carbs != Carbs. So why do these intermittent fasting, keto and what not diets work? Well, because people just live a silver bullet and quick fix. And many companies and people make a lot of money by selling these alleged quick fixes to people in the form of ready-made meals, books, coachings and what not. Nobody is getting rich if people would just eat fresh vegetables.

stefs 3y ago
this is completely undifferentiated. whole wheat bread may work well for you but it completely fucks me up. a few slices a day for a few days and i'll start being at risk for throwing up at random times. nutrition is a hightly emotional laden topic and criticizing someone's diet often means criticizing their core values, but that doesn't mean medical experts can't bring their patient's dietary preferences into question. while you are _probably_ correct that a whole food-plant based, balanced diet is the best way, it just does not work for everyone the same way. some might have allergies and intolerances, some might have a microbial gut biome that doesn't do well on certain foods, some might have other medical conditions (i.e. diabetes) which influences things. for all of them, having a "balanced diet" that doesn't fuck them up means different things. many of those "fad diets" are actually nothing but tricks to actually introduce something that resembles a balanced diet into the lives of people whose diets are critically off. keto doesn't work because people believe in quick fixes, it PROBABLY works because you can't subsist on dougnuts, frozen pizza and beer anymore. suddenly it's water, spinach, broccoli, carrots and nuts for snacking. for those people, "carbs are ok" doesn't just open the door to bread but also to cake. furthermore, keto wasn't invented by a snake oil salesman to get rich quick, it's been used as a medical intervention for at least a hundred years. if you had actually read the article it's precisely about the scientific support for "this fad diet" keto for its effects, which actually aren't well understood. it's clearly stated that there are actually benefits for some people suffering from certain mental illnesses. don't just discard that.
- shafyy 3y ago
  Yes, I agree with most of what you say. I'm sorry if my comment came across as aggressive. I didn't want to offend anybody. And of course, if you've got a gluten allergy regular bread won't work for you. I know that nutrition is not a one-size-fits-all thing. But you also have to agree that there are many keto snake oil salesmen. > keto doesn't work because people believe in quick fixes, it PROBABLY works because you can't subsist on dougnuts, frozen pizza and beer anymore. Yes, that's better formulated than what I did in my comment.
  - stefs 3y ago
    i have the impression nutrition is a bit like religion. the right way, i.e. what a "balanced diet" means is heavily depends on the country you grew up in and how your parents did it. either this or you join a cult and swear by the one diet ... religulously. thus critizicing one's diet is like saying: "your religion is trash", which is, not surprisingly, usually not taken well be the other. in my experience, a healthy diet is mostly about two things: * restricting calories to reach a balanced CI-CO for a bodyweight in the healthy range * allowing caloric restriction without going insane so it's technically less about the quality of the food (i.e. how healthy your meal ingredients are) and more about feeling satiated long enough to not go crazy from hunger pangs between meals. in practice, those two overlap a great deal: if your meals lack in certain nutrients you tend to become "hungry" - for those missing nutrients, but people on a "bad" diet just eat more of the usual stuff. apart from that, people have different motives and preferences: there are bodybuilders who can happily scarf down the same prepared meals day in and out and would subsist on cardboard if possible as long as the macros are right. there are the foodies who'd rather starve than eat a meal that's not delicious. women may need other ingredients than men due to different hormone profiles. some people love the simplicity of drinkable meals that contain all the nutrients and don't care for solid food at all anymore, while for others that would be hell on earth. the potato diet will not work for a gourmand. a low fat diet may not work for women who need certain essential fats more than men. a low carb diet might not work well for an athlete. etc.
    - shafyy 3y ago

by shafyy 3y ago

stefs 3y ago

this is completely undifferentiated. whole wheat bread may work well for you but it completely fucks me up. a few slices a day for a few days and i'll start being at risk for throwing up at random times. nutrition is a hightly emotional laden topic and criticizing someone's diet often means criticizing their core values, but that doesn't mean medical experts can't bring their patient's dietary preferences into question. while you are _probably_ correct that a whole food-plant based, balanced diet is the best way, it just does not work for everyone the same way. some might have allergies and intolerances, some might have a microbial gut biome that doesn't do well on certain foods, some might have other medical conditions (i.e. diabetes) which influences things. for all of them, having a "balanced diet" that doesn't fuck them up means different things. many of those "fad diets" are actually nothing but tricks to actually introduce something that resembles a balanced diet into the lives of people whose diets are critically off. keto doesn't work because people believe in quick fixes, it PROBABLY works because you can't subsist on dougnuts, frozen pizza and beer anymore. suddenly it's water, spinach, broccoli, carrots and nuts for snacking. for those people, "carbs are ok" doesn't just open the door to bread but also to cake. furthermore, keto wasn't invented by a snake oil salesman to get rich quick, it's been used as a medical intervention for at least a hundred years. if you had actually read the article it's precisely about the scientific support for "this fad diet" keto for its effects, which actually aren't well understood. it's clearly stated that there are actually benefits for some people suffering from certain mental illnesses. don't just discard that.

shafyy 3y ago
Yes, I agree with most of what you say. I'm sorry if my comment came across as aggressive. I didn't want to offend anybody. And of course, if you've got a gluten allergy regular bread won't work for you. I know that nutrition is not a one-size-fits-all thing. But you also have to agree that there are many keto snake oil salesmen. > keto doesn't work because people believe in quick fixes, it PROBABLY works because you can't subsist on dougnuts, frozen pizza and beer anymore. Yes, that's better formulated than what I did in my comment.
- stefs 3y ago
  i have the impression nutrition is a bit like religion. the right way, i.e. what a "balanced diet" means is heavily depends on the country you grew up in and how your parents did it. either this or you join a cult and swear by the one diet ... religulously. thus critizicing one's diet is like saying: "your religion is trash", which is, not surprisingly, usually not taken well be the other. in my experience, a healthy diet is mostly about two things: * restricting calories to reach a balanced CI-CO for a bodyweight in the healthy range * allowing caloric restriction without going insane so it's technically less about the quality of the food (i.e. how healthy your meal ingredients are) and more about feeling satiated long enough to not go crazy from hunger pangs between meals. in practice, those two overlap a great deal: if your meals lack in certain nutrients you tend to become "hungry" - for those missing nutrients, but people on a "bad" diet just eat more of the usual stuff. apart from that, people have different motives and preferences: there are bodybuilders who can happily scarf down the same prepared meals day in and out and would subsist on cardboard if possible as long as the macros are right. there are the foodies who'd rather starve than eat a meal that's not delicious. women may need other ingredients than men due to different hormone profiles. some people love the simplicity of drinkable meals that contain all the nutrients and don't care for solid food at all anymore, while for others that would be hell on earth. the potato diet will not work for a gourmand. a low fat diet may not work for women who need certain essential fats more than men. a low carb diet might not work well for an athlete. etc.
  - shafyy 3y ago