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As a person of normal weight, I tried a keto diet a couple of times but just couldn't get it working under vegetarian/vegan dietary restrictions for a daily wor

As a person of normal weight, I tried a keto diet a couple of times but just couldn't get it working under vegetarian/vegan dietary restrictions for a daily work + workout schedule. I got either underfed to the point of fainting, had to rely on expensive restaurant meals and questionable supplements, or had to spent an enormous amount of time on meal preparation. So either I approached this in a completely wrong way or keto just isn't for "normal" folks like myself with busy schedules.

dustincoates 3y ago
Vegan is decidedly not "normal" if we define normal in the sense that it is common. Only 0.5% of the American adult population is vegan (only 2% vegeterian).[1] Not that there's anything wrong with being vegan! But it definitely a minority position. 1: https://veganbits.com/vegan-demographics/ https://veganbits.com/vegan-demographics/
- spidersenses 3y ago
  The “normal” in my comment referred to the average weight and busy life. I am primarily an ovo-lacto vegetarian, only occasionally vegan.
  - OJFord 3y ago
    > primarily an ovo-lacto vegetarian, only occasionally vegan That's like an omnivore saying they're occasionally vegan because not 100% meals contain meat or dairy?
    - spidersenses 3y ago
      Let's just say, that every once in a while I go vegan for a couple of days or weeks. That's slightly different from the "accidentally vegan" meal. If it was possible to combine keto, a meat-free diet, and intermittent fasting, without breaking the bank or breaking the body, that would be the dream.
      - kilmanio 3y ago
        The word you're looking for is plant-based. There is no such thing as a traffic-light vegan.
freedomben 3y ago
Yeah Keto when you can't have dairy or eggs (food sensitivities) is really, really difficult to do. I'm in that boat too and my weight got dangerously low when I was trying to keto.
- 2devnull 3y ago
  People who drink dairy are probably not in keto. Dairy has a ton of sugar.
wouldbecouldbe 3y ago
Keto isn't normal for anyone. It's your body going into emergency starving mode. It might be good to do every now and then, just like fasting, but it's not normal. It's not easy for any type of diet and just a few carbs will kick you out of ketosis. But especially for Vegan, then it's mostly nuts & avocado's you can eat.
- aszantu 3y ago
  sad thing here is, that nuts often have mycotoxins in them, double whammy
- sph 3y ago
  Sure, eating meat and vegetables avoiding processes cereals is not normal, but eating only plants with no animal proteins and fat is? A diet that literally is harmful to human children, and to adults without B12 supplementation? Some people have negative knowledge on diets and how the body metabolises foods, yet are ready to share advice on the internet.
shafyy 3y ago
Yes, because there's also no scientific evidence to support these fad diets. Of course, somebody who has been eating like shit and then switches to a "keto" diet will lose weight and might feel better. Scientific evidence is clear that a whole food, plant-based is the best diet. I mean, it also makes common sense to eat a balanced diet to get all the different macro and micro nutritients, minerals and vitamins. The "carb is bad!" line is just wrong. Eating one or two slices if fresh, whole weat bread is not unhealthy, it's healthy! It contains a lot of fiber, protein, vitamins and minerals. But of course, eating frozen pizza is unhealthy because it contains jackshit. Carbs != Carbs. So why do these intermittent fasting, keto and what not diets work? Well, because people just live a silver bullet and quick fix. And many companies and people make a lot of money by selling these alleged quick fixes to people in the form of ready-made meals, books, coachings and what not. Nobody is getting rich if people would just eat fresh vegetables.
- stefs 3y ago
  this is completely undifferentiated. whole wheat bread may work well for you but it completely fucks me up. a few slices a day for a few days and i'll start being at risk for throwing up at random times. nutrition is a hightly emotional laden topic and criticizing someone's diet often means criticizing their core values, but that doesn't mean medical experts can't bring their patient's dietary preferences into question. while you are _probably_ correct that a whole food-plant based, balanced diet is the best way, it just does not work for everyone the same way. some might have allergies and intolerances, some might have a microbial gut biome that doesn't do well on certain foods, some might have other medical conditions (i.e. diabetes) which influences things. for all of them, having a "balanced diet" that doesn't fuck them up means different things. many of those "fad diets" are actually nothing but tricks to actually introduce something that resembles a balanced diet into the lives of people whose diets are critically off. keto doesn't work because people believe in quick fixes, it PROBABLY works because you can't subsist on dougnuts, frozen pizza and beer anymore. suddenly it's water, spinach, broccoli, carrots and nuts for snacking. for those people, "carbs are ok" doesn't just open the door to bread but also to cake. furthermore, keto wasn't invented by a snake oil salesman to get rich quick, it's been used as a medical intervention for at least a hundred years. if you had actually read the article it's precisely about the scientific support for "this fad diet" keto for its effects, which actually aren't well understood. it's clearly stated that there are actually benefits for some people suffering from certain mental illnesses. don't just discard that.

dustincoates 3y ago

Vegan is decidedly not "normal" if we define normal in the sense that it is common. Only 0.5% of the American adult population is vegan (only 2% vegeterian).[1] Not that there's anything wrong with being vegan! But it definitely a minority position. 1: https://veganbits.com/vegan-demographics/ https://veganbits.com/vegan-demographics/

spidersenses 3y ago
The “normal” in my comment referred to the average weight and busy life. I am primarily an ovo-lacto vegetarian, only occasionally vegan.
- OJFord 3y ago
  > primarily an ovo-lacto vegetarian, only occasionally vegan That's like an omnivore saying they're occasionally vegan because not 100% meals contain meat or dairy?
  - spidersenses 3y ago
    Let's just say, that every once in a while I go vegan for a couple of days or weeks. That's slightly different from the "accidentally vegan" meal. If it was possible to combine keto, a meat-free diet, and intermittent fasting, without breaking the bank or breaking the body, that would be the dream.
    - kilmanio 3y ago
      The word you're looking for is plant-based. There is no such thing as a traffic-light vegan.

freedomben 3y ago

Yeah Keto when you can't have dairy or eggs (food sensitivities) is really, really difficult to do. I'm in that boat too and my weight got dangerously low when I was trying to keto.

2devnull 3y ago
People who drink dairy are probably not in keto. Dairy has a ton of sugar.

wouldbecouldbe 3y ago

Keto isn't normal for anyone. It's your body going into emergency starving mode. It might be good to do every now and then, just like fasting, but it's not normal. It's not easy for any type of diet and just a few carbs will kick you out of ketosis. But especially for Vegan, then it's mostly nuts & avocado's you can eat.

aszantu 3y ago
sad thing here is, that nuts often have mycotoxins in them, double whammy
sph 3y ago
Sure, eating meat and vegetables avoiding processes cereals is not normal, but eating only plants with no animal proteins and fat is? A diet that literally is harmful to human children, and to adults without B12 supplementation? Some people have negative knowledge on diets and how the body metabolises foods, yet are ready to share advice on the internet.

shafyy 3y ago

Yes, because there's also no scientific evidence to support these fad diets. Of course, somebody who has been eating like shit and then switches to a "keto" diet will lose weight and might feel better. Scientific evidence is clear that a whole food, plant-based is the best diet. I mean, it also makes common sense to eat a balanced diet to get all the different macro and micro nutritients, minerals and vitamins. The "carb is bad!" line is just wrong. Eating one or two slices if fresh, whole weat bread is not unhealthy, it's healthy! It contains a lot of fiber, protein, vitamins and minerals. But of course, eating frozen pizza is unhealthy because it contains jackshit. Carbs != Carbs. So why do these intermittent fasting, keto and what not diets work? Well, because people just live a silver bullet and quick fix. And many companies and people make a lot of money by selling these alleged quick fixes to people in the form of ready-made meals, books, coachings and what not. Nobody is getting rich if people would just eat fresh vegetables.

stefs 3y ago
this is completely undifferentiated. whole wheat bread may work well for you but it completely fucks me up. a few slices a day for a few days and i'll start being at risk for throwing up at random times. nutrition is a hightly emotional laden topic and criticizing someone's diet often means criticizing their core values, but that doesn't mean medical experts can't bring their patient's dietary preferences into question. while you are _probably_ correct that a whole food-plant based, balanced diet is the best way, it just does not work for everyone the same way. some might have allergies and intolerances, some might have a microbial gut biome that doesn't do well on certain foods, some might have other medical conditions (i.e. diabetes) which influences things. for all of them, having a "balanced diet" that doesn't fuck them up means different things. many of those "fad diets" are actually nothing but tricks to actually introduce something that resembles a balanced diet into the lives of people whose diets are critically off. keto doesn't work because people believe in quick fixes, it PROBABLY works because you can't subsist on dougnuts, frozen pizza and beer anymore. suddenly it's water, spinach, broccoli, carrots and nuts for snacking. for those people, "carbs are ok" doesn't just open the door to bread but also to cake. furthermore, keto wasn't invented by a snake oil salesman to get rich quick, it's been used as a medical intervention for at least a hundred years. if you had actually read the article it's precisely about the scientific support for "this fad diet" keto for its effects, which actually aren't well understood. it's clearly stated that there are actually benefits for some people suffering from certain mental illnesses. don't just discard that.