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The article seems to focus on A.I in relation to big artists and pop music (and that one rich CEO) but the first casualties will be the "stock" music market, an

The article seems to focus on A.I in relation to big artists and pop music (and that one rich CEO) but the first casualties will be the "stock" music market, and then TV shows & movies composers / producers / artists. It's not totally there yet but it's improving. Is it already happening in the stock photos world? > the music industry (....) now appears to be more profitable than ever. Tell that to the music professionals actually producing that music.

Xeyz0r 3y ago
> Is it already happening in the stock photos world? I think for stock photos it's still early days. But soon when AI technology becomes so widespread that it's accessible to everyone, people will stop using stock photos. Especially if the level of image generation reaches almost perfection. After all with AI you can create anything without spending time searching for stock photos online
krapp 3y ago
>Tell that to the music professionals actually producing that music. I mean, that's how capitalism, and in particular creative industry, has always worked. Value is captured by management, not the people who create it. The celebrities who can afford to negotiate million dollar contracts and retain rights to their work are the exception, not the rule.
scheeseman486 3y ago
You're right that it's not there yet, but it's scarily close. I used a generative AI music tool to create ~1 minute snippets of fully mixed music. The tool offers 2 fields: Lyrics and a style prompt. From the initial audio you can generate continuations from them, creating different branches and there's some syntax to specify structure too ([chorus], [verse], [outro], (instrumental) etc). The quality of the compositions is quite good, though the choices it makes can be rather random just like any generative AI but that isn't always unwelcome. From there I picked the best and most interesting bits of audio, split them apart those apart into separate tracks (vocals, guitar, percussion) with another AI. At that point I can bring them into a music sequencer, pull them apart, time stretch, rearrange, anything. You can generate an instrumental with a lead guitar, pull it out and sprinkle it through the entire song. Re-spin vocal deliveries, mix and match them. This is a draft of something I've been working on: https://voca.ro/15yurCvoA9yR https://voca.ro/15yurCvoA9yR The main drawback is the quality, it's like a mediocre cassette tape recording much of the time and splitting it up into tracks causes some generation loss.
- dadoomer 3y ago
  What's the name of the tool where you can specify the structure of the song?
  - scheeseman486 3y ago
    suno.ai is the generator I used, structure is mostly implied through the lyrics rather than directly controlled though. But given that you can break down the generated audio into it's constituent elements with something like moises.ai or RipX DAW, you can rebuild it into any structure you want.
ChatGTP 3y ago
I played music from a young age, studied Jazz and honestly, the hope of making a decent career out of music died about 50 years ago with the advent of recordings and high quality audio equipment, once live musicians were no longer required to have music in commercial settings, it was over because the average punter, who knows really nothing about art, couldn't give a shit what they're listening too. The side effect here is that with this change, the incentive for brilliant musicians to exist died too, and so we're left with the seriously diminished music we listen too today. When is the last time you heard a Stan Getz equivalent? Maybe there is still some more raping to be done by "the industry", but the whole scene has been raped and pillaged quite devastatingly already. There honestly seems to be a strong and enduring resurgence in live music popularity, which IMO is exciting, and I think will continue as the quality of commercial music just seems to go down the toilet year on year. The other issue generative AI will have is the same problem most musicians have, people like familiarity, you can making incredible music and 99% of ears will have no interest in it because it's unrelated to anything they, or they're fiends have listened too while going on that summer road trip in college. Why do people still listen to Vanilla Ice? Music is a wonderful, creative, artistic pursuit, just don't expect to make too much money out of it, and you'll be in line with reality. I play guitar for my son when he can't sleep, and it's the most rewarding thing I've ever done musically.

Xeyz0r 3y ago

> Is it already happening in the stock photos world? I think for stock photos it's still early days. But soon when AI technology becomes so widespread that it's accessible to everyone, people will stop using stock photos. Especially if the level of image generation reaches almost perfection. After all with AI you can create anything without spending time searching for stock photos online

krapp 3y ago

>Tell that to the music professionals actually producing that music. I mean, that's how capitalism, and in particular creative industry, has always worked. Value is captured by management, not the people who create it. The celebrities who can afford to negotiate million dollar contracts and retain rights to their work are the exception, not the rule.

scheeseman486 3y ago

You're right that it's not there yet, but it's scarily close. I used a generative AI music tool to create ~1 minute snippets of fully mixed music. The tool offers 2 fields: Lyrics and a style prompt. From the initial audio you can generate continuations from them, creating different branches and there's some syntax to specify structure too ([chorus], [verse], [outro], (instrumental) etc). The quality of the compositions is quite good, though the choices it makes can be rather random just like any generative AI but that isn't always unwelcome. From there I picked the best and most interesting bits of audio, split them apart those apart into separate tracks (vocals, guitar, percussion) with another AI. At that point I can bring them into a music sequencer, pull them apart, time stretch, rearrange, anything. You can generate an instrumental with a lead guitar, pull it out and sprinkle it through the entire song. Re-spin vocal deliveries, mix and match them. This is a draft of something I've been working on: https://voca.ro/15yurCvoA9yR https://voca.ro/15yurCvoA9yR The main drawback is the quality, it's like a mediocre cassette tape recording much of the time and splitting it up into tracks causes some generation loss.

dadoomer 3y ago
What's the name of the tool where you can specify the structure of the song?
- scheeseman486 3y ago
  suno.ai is the generator I used, structure is mostly implied through the lyrics rather than directly controlled though. But given that you can break down the generated audio into it's constituent elements with something like moises.ai or RipX DAW, you can rebuild it into any structure you want.

ChatGTP 3y ago

I played music from a young age, studied Jazz and honestly, the hope of making a decent career out of music died about 50 years ago with the advent of recordings and high quality audio equipment, once live musicians were no longer required to have music in commercial settings, it was over because the average punter, who knows really nothing about art, couldn't give a shit what they're listening too. The side effect here is that with this change, the incentive for brilliant musicians to exist died too, and so we're left with the seriously diminished music we listen too today. When is the last time you heard a Stan Getz equivalent? Maybe there is still some more raping to be done by "the industry", but the whole scene has been raped and pillaged quite devastatingly already. There honestly seems to be a strong and enduring resurgence in live music popularity, which IMO is exciting, and I think will continue as the quality of commercial music just seems to go down the toilet year on year. The other issue generative AI will have is the same problem most musicians have, people like familiarity, you can making incredible music and 99% of ears will have no interest in it because it's unrelated to anything they, or they're fiends have listened too while going on that summer road trip in college. Why do people still listen to Vanilla Ice? Music is a wonderful, creative, artistic pursuit, just don't expect to make too much money out of it, and you'll be in line with reality. I play guitar for my son when he can't sleep, and it's the most rewarding thing I've ever done musically.