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> more modern designs would bring to the table How would we know unless they do it? Before iphone was launched someone could have made the same point about Nok

> more modern designs would bring to the table How would we know unless they do it? Before iphone was launched someone could have made the same point about Nokia's smartphones. They were heavily updated designs of their massively popular Symbian phones. We simply didn't know what was possible until someone put in the work and innovated and came up with an entirely new design.

ZaoLahma 3y ago
> Before iphone was launched someone could have made the same point about Nokia's smartphones. For my question the phone-equivalent would be someone asking today in 2024 what is the difference between a Nokia of 2006 and an iPhone of 2024, when only knowing that you can make calls with both of them. I genuinely didn't know that the modern 737s are so much of a hack to get around regulations and save cost on R&D, and thought they were just good aircraft that were worth iterating on.
nottorp 3y ago
> We simply didn't know what was possible I'm sure a few PalmOS owners wondered why they don't make the scroll bars fingerable and add a cell phone ;) But points to Apple for figuring out you don't need a stylus to write either and you can scroll from anywhere. And for, you know, building a device. I thought of a primitive form of it but it never occured to me to do it.
- jen20 3y ago
  A PalmOS cell phone - the Treo - was featured in the original iPhone keynote. I had two, the first (600) was OK. The second (650) was abject garbage - it would crash just sitting waiting for calls.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    I know about the Treo, but I never got one. If i remember the first reviews correctly, it was a cell phone bolted onto palmos but totally separate somehow. It didn't 'smell good'. I've had quite a few non phone PalmOS devices though. I think I'm still keeping a non functional Sony Clie [1] in my nostalgia stash. And maybe a Zire Z22, but I may have thrown that away. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_CLI%C3%89_NR_Series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_CLI%C3%89_NR_Series
    - nottorp 3y ago
      Ohh I remember now. They thought it would be a good idea to take space with a physical keyboard instead of making it more touchable. That's why I never got one. I liked grafitti.
    - jen20 3y ago
      It was quite well integrated all told from the 600 onwards, though I never tried the first version. The phone and SMS appeared as apps and worked in a very similar manner to what one would expect having used an iPhone.
KolmogorovComp 3y ago
> How would we know unless they do it? We know it because the Airbus 320NEO which is based on a late 80s design, does not have all the cons the 737 has, and was the reason Boeing scrambled to make the 737Max.

ZaoLahma 3y ago

> Before iphone was launched someone could have made the same point about Nokia's smartphones. For my question the phone-equivalent would be someone asking today in 2024 what is the difference between a Nokia of 2006 and an iPhone of 2024, when only knowing that you can make calls with both of them. I genuinely didn't know that the modern 737s are so much of a hack to get around regulations and save cost on R&D, and thought they were just good aircraft that were worth iterating on.

nottorp 3y ago

> We simply didn't know what was possible I'm sure a few PalmOS owners wondered why they don't make the scroll bars fingerable and add a cell phone ;) But points to Apple for figuring out you don't need a stylus to write either and you can scroll from anywhere. And for, you know, building a device. I thought of a primitive form of it but it never occured to me to do it.

jen20 3y ago
A PalmOS cell phone - the Treo - was featured in the original iPhone keynote. I had two, the first (600) was OK. The second (650) was abject garbage - it would crash just sitting waiting for calls.
- nottorp 3y ago
  I know about the Treo, but I never got one. If i remember the first reviews correctly, it was a cell phone bolted onto palmos but totally separate somehow. It didn't 'smell good'. I've had quite a few non phone PalmOS devices though. I think I'm still keeping a non functional Sony Clie [1] in my nostalgia stash. And maybe a Zire Z22, but I may have thrown that away. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_CLI%C3%89_NR_Series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_CLI%C3%89_NR_Series
  - nottorp 3y ago
    Ohh I remember now. They thought it would be a good idea to take space with a physical keyboard instead of making it more touchable. That's why I never got one. I liked grafitti.
  - jen20 3y ago
    It was quite well integrated all told from the 600 onwards, though I never tried the first version. The phone and SMS appeared as apps and worked in a very similar manner to what one would expect having used an iPhone.

KolmogorovComp 3y ago

> How would we know unless they do it? We know it because the Airbus 320NEO which is based on a late 80s design, does not have all the cons the 737 has, and was the reason Boeing scrambled to make the 737Max.