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IMHO the general idea isn't terrible the implementation is, suppar. But hy that's why it's good that's it's not yet US wide as it means there is time to make im
by dathinab 3y ago
IMHO the general idea isn't terrible the implementation is, suppar. But hy that's why it's good that's it's not yet US wide as it means there is time to make improvements.
- I'm not the biggest fan of hard cutoff
- addictive dark patterns which cause compulsive use should be general banned or age restricted no matter where they are used, honestly just ban most dark patterns they are intentional always malicious consumer deception not that far away from outright committing fraud. (And age restrict some less dark but still problematic patterns.)
- I think this likely will make all MMORPGs (and Roblox, lol) and similar 16+, I'm quite split about that. I have seen people between 14-18 get addicted to them and mess up their education path. But I have also seen cases of people which might not be alive anymore today if they hadn't fund a refuge and companions in some MMORPG.
- I guess if it can make platforms like YT, Facebook, Instagram, Snapshat etc. implement a "teen" mode with less dark patterns and tracking it would be good.
- The balance between proving your age and making things available and keeping privacy is VERY tricky (especially in the US) and companies, the government and spy agencies will try to abuse the new requirements for age verification to spy more reliable on everyone 16+.
- It's interesting how that affects messengers. Many have less dark patterns, some do not track users, or can easily decide not to track children. The aren't social networks per-se. But most have some social network like features. Even such which do not try to create compulsive use might still end up with it as long as their as is "live" chatting.
- trogdor 3y ago>addictive dark patterns which cause compulsive use should be general banned or age restricted no matter where they are used, honestly just ban most dark patterns they are intentional always malicious consumer deception not that far away from outright committing fraud. How would you write a law that accomplishes your goal?
- vimax 3y agoI'm not a lawyer, but I imagine something like deceptive advertising regulations could serve as a starting point.
- dathinab 3y agoThe usage with of user interface design patterns which take advantage of [..] to cause compulsive use is not allowed. In context of this law user interface refers to the mechanism of a user interacting with a software, this includes any kind of user interface no matter weather which medium it uses for presenting information and allowing interactions and no matter which form it is presented at in the software. Where [..] is a rough definition of dark patterns which there exist multiple of in CS and which you can base on factors like 1) deceptiveness, 2) intend to manipulate the users behavior, 3) how it interact with various human feedback systems etc. The thing about law people on HN often tend to forget or complain about is that they intentionally do not need to be perfect precise scientific definitions, predicate logic, or anything like that. This means you can reasonable describe them by likely effect and weather it seems reasonable that the effect could have been intended (without bothering to actually determine intend) without needing to go into _any_ technical details outside of clearing that indeed any form of user interface is covered.