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Since switching from Chrom{e|ium} to Firefox, I'm noticing I'm having to fill in a _lot_ more captchas - is this just me, a coincidence, or is Google treating F

Since switching from Chrom{e|ium} to Firefox, I'm noticing I'm having to fill in a _lot_ more captchas - is this just me, a coincidence, or is Google treating Firefox as less trustworthy?

nawgz 3y ago
Google? Using its market position and suite of products to undermine competitors? How dare you imply they would partake in such unbecoming behavior.
AlienRobot 3y ago
iirc many bots use Firefox UA string as their own.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  Why would they do that? Chrome is far more popular and therefore a better spoofing target
screamingninja 3y ago
That's the punishment for ad-blocking and/or tracking mitigations.
- askvictor 3y ago
  I was running ublock origin on Chrome previously (as I am now on FF), but getting many more captchas on FF.
TechRemarker 3y ago
Get the requests all the time in Safari, but when using Chrome almost never. But most likely since in Safari, have all the anti tracking enabled as well.
sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago
Chrome is spyware to begin with; they know if you’re a bot out of the gate. Captcha is redundant to the deeper spying Google does at this point. Likewise captcha is useless against multimodal LLM available to anybody, many of which can be run locally. I see this as a tacit admission captcha is a dead technology more than anything.
- drivebycomment 3y ago
  > Likewise captcha is useless against multimodal LLM available to anybody, many of which can be run locally You have a fundamental misunderstanding of why captcha exists. If the attacker has to deploy a multimodal LLM to solve captcha, the service provider using captcha has already effectively achieved its goal - since the goal is to raise the cost (in terms of any combination of complexity, computing power, and dollar amount) of sending bulk traffic and ultimately to reduce, not eliminate, the overall attack rate. 0 bulk traffic is never the goal.
  - sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago
    I very much do understand the goal and work in the field. Captcha is currently a bigger impediment to legitimate use than it is to malicious use. The world has shifted and the underlying assumptions of the captcha design (computers are bad at vision tasks relative to humans) is no longer true. We are also on the backend of a rapidly depreciating cost curve, and this will accelerate. People were already using mturk at scale anyway, and it was cost efficient. In five years captcha won’t exist, and the entire “are you a human” paradigm is cooked.
swozey 3y ago
I used Firefox full time years ago (5+) and absolutely had to fill in more captchas. I remember thinking it all the time. I also remember seeing a lot of "Must be opened in chrome," sort of things google related. Chrome has your google auth SSO built in so I think chrome skips that skip, whether it's malevolent or necessary I wouldn't know.
Macha 3y ago
It's not just Google, Humble has configured their cloudflare anti bot stuff so it randomly locks me out for days at a time for using Firefox on Linux. Support refuses to go beyond "have you tried clearing your cookies" when I raise this with them.
- mikecoles 3y ago
  Cloudflare is the largest, unnecessary, impediment on the internet nowadays.
gnicholas 3y ago
I get a lot in Brave also. A friend runs a startup whose platform I use, and he was surprised to hear I get 8-9 in a row sometimes, even though I’m in a browser that I’ve logged in with hundreds of times. Crazy.
dragonwriter 3y ago
If you are logged into your Goolge account, you almost never have to do reCaptcha, and if you use any of the cloud features on Chrome, it requires sign-in to your Google account.
Rebelgecko 3y ago
On FF, the Cloudflare bot protection has been by far the worst for me. I'm often locked out of sites for hours or days at a time. I'm assuming it's because I'm not running their JS?
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Since switching from Chrom{e|ium} to Firefox, I'm noticing I'm having to fill in a _lot_ more captchas - is this just me, a coincidence, or is Google treating Firefox as less trustworthy?

nawgz 3y ago

Google? Using its market position and suite of products to undermine competitors? How dare you imply they would partake in such unbecoming behavior.

AlienRobot 3y ago

iirc many bots use Firefox UA string as their own.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
Why would they do that? Chrome is far more popular and therefore a better spoofing target

screamingninja 3y ago

That's the punishment for ad-blocking and/or tracking mitigations.

askvictor 3y ago
I was running ublock origin on Chrome previously (as I am now on FF), but getting many more captchas on FF.

TechRemarker 3y ago

Get the requests all the time in Safari, but when using Chrome almost never. But most likely since in Safari, have all the anti tracking enabled as well.

sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago

Chrome is spyware to begin with; they know if you’re a bot out of the gate. Captcha is redundant to the deeper spying Google does at this point. Likewise captcha is useless against multimodal LLM available to anybody, many of which can be run locally. I see this as a tacit admission captcha is a dead technology more than anything.

drivebycomment 3y ago
> Likewise captcha is useless against multimodal LLM available to anybody, many of which can be run locally You have a fundamental misunderstanding of why captcha exists. If the attacker has to deploy a multimodal LLM to solve captcha, the service provider using captcha has already effectively achieved its goal - since the goal is to raise the cost (in terms of any combination of complexity, computing power, and dollar amount) of sending bulk traffic and ultimately to reduce, not eliminate, the overall attack rate. 0 bulk traffic is never the goal.
- sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago
  I very much do understand the goal and work in the field. Captcha is currently a bigger impediment to legitimate use than it is to malicious use. The world has shifted and the underlying assumptions of the captcha design (computers are bad at vision tasks relative to humans) is no longer true. We are also on the backend of a rapidly depreciating cost curve, and this will accelerate. People were already using mturk at scale anyway, and it was cost efficient. In five years captcha won’t exist, and the entire “are you a human” paradigm is cooked.

swozey 3y ago

I used Firefox full time years ago (5+) and absolutely had to fill in more captchas. I remember thinking it all the time. I also remember seeing a lot of "Must be opened in chrome," sort of things google related. Chrome has your google auth SSO built in so I think chrome skips that skip, whether it's malevolent or necessary I wouldn't know.

Macha 3y ago

It's not just Google, Humble has configured their cloudflare anti bot stuff so it randomly locks me out for days at a time for using Firefox on Linux. Support refuses to go beyond "have you tried clearing your cookies" when I raise this with them.

mikecoles 3y ago
Cloudflare is the largest, unnecessary, impediment on the internet nowadays.

gnicholas 3y ago

I get a lot in Brave also. A friend runs a startup whose platform I use, and he was surprised to hear I get 8-9 in a row sometimes, even though I’m in a browser that I’ve logged in with hundreds of times. Crazy.

dragonwriter 3y ago

If you are logged into your Goolge account, you almost never have to do reCaptcha, and if you use any of the cloud features on Chrome, it requires sign-in to your Google account.

Rebelgecko 3y ago

On FF, the Cloudflare bot protection has been by far the worst for me. I'm often locked out of sites for hours or days at a time. I'm assuming it's because I'm not running their JS?

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