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"Just. Pay. Me." Ok, how much? How would one determine all sources and their contribution weights for each produced completion from GPT?

by tintor 3y ago

seurimas 3y ago
Usually, you pay what they ask and, if you don't like the price, you don't use their work. It's very simple, but OpenAI skipping that step opens them up to courts deciding that price, if a price is actually owed. That price would probably be more than 0, which is what the authors have gotten so far.
theamk 3y ago
Easy! (1) Make training opt-out trivial and fast (2) if OpenAI still wants to use material in training, the can approach author with an offer. Something like Google is a win-win proposition: Google gets useful results, while publisher gets clicks and ad impressions. But being included into AI training is not like that, authors get nothing for being included in the AI training set. So they should be free to charge whatever amount of money they want, or opt out completely.
jaredcwhite 3y ago
Not my problem. (Says the copyright holders.) Look, I publish (nearly) all my blog posts for _free_ on the web because I like doing that, and I _still_ don't want chatbots scraping my content to serve their algos (yes, I'm blocking them now via robots.txt) because the reason I put content out for free is partially because I want my name and my expertise out there. I'm part of a community of authors if you will. Call it selfish or self-serving if you will, but that's my right as the author. Having stuff I've contributed to the internet get ingested into a model and regurgitated out such that my contributions are sidelined…well, that's just not acceptable, any more than a person taking my blog post, rewriting it with a handful of other brief sources, then republishing it under their name with no attribution back to me is acceptable.
itishappy 3y ago
Ask the creator? Why would the buyer be responsible for pricing?

"Just. Pay. Me." Ok, how much? How would one determine all sources and their contribution weights for each produced completion from GPT?

by tintor 3y ago

"Just. Pay. Me." Ok, how much? How would one determine all sources and their contribution weights for each produced completion from GPT?

seurimas 3y ago

Usually, you pay what they ask and, if you don't like the price, you don't use their work. It's very simple, but OpenAI skipping that step opens them up to courts deciding that price, if a price is actually owed. That price would probably be more than 0, which is what the authors have gotten so far.

theamk 3y ago

Easy! (1) Make training opt-out trivial and fast (2) if OpenAI still wants to use material in training, the can approach author with an offer. Something like Google is a win-win proposition: Google gets useful results, while publisher gets clicks and ad impressions. But being included into AI training is not like that, authors get nothing for being included in the AI training set. So they should be free to charge whatever amount of money they want, or opt out completely.

jaredcwhite 3y ago

Not my problem. (Says the copyright holders.) Look, I publish (nearly) all my blog posts for _free_ on the web because I like doing that, and I _still_ don't want chatbots scraping my content to serve their algos (yes, I'm blocking them now via robots.txt) because the reason I put content out for free is partially because I want my name and my expertise out there. I'm part of a community of authors if you will. Call it selfish or self-serving if you will, but that's my right as the author. Having stuff I've contributed to the internet get ingested into a model and regurgitated out such that my contributions are sidelined…well, that's just not acceptable, any more than a person taking my blog post, rewriting it with a handful of other brief sources, then republishing it under their name with no attribution back to me is acceptable.

itishappy 3y ago

Ask the creator? Why would the buyer be responsible for pricing?