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Remember how MS wasn’t doing all this shit 5-10 years ago? It was thanks to the EU regulations on MS. Now that the limits on that had ended MS is sinking to ne

Remember how MS wasn’t doing all this shit 5-10 years ago? It was thanks to the EU regulations on MS. Now that the limits on that had ended MS is sinking to new lows. So next time an Appleoid tells you how the horrible EU is destroying innovation by asking Apple to use the USB-C connector on its phone that it does on every other device in its lineup, remember MS. (also the fact that if it wasn’t for anti trust actions against MS by the U.S. and the EU Apple almost certainly wouldn’t exist).

dmonitor 3y ago
All the “Appleoids” i’ve come across are happy that they can finally use their macbook chargers with their iphones.
- psjs 3y ago
  Won’t that degenerate the battery at a much quicker rate?
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    USB-C controllers negotiate the correct voltage and amperage.
  - eimrine 3y ago
    All quick charge approaches do this. You'll buy a new one faster.
  - lxgr 3y ago
    No, why would it? The phone always charges as fast as it wants to, so it doesn't really matter if you connect it to a 20W or a 240W power supply.
- asdajksah2123 3y ago
  Right...but before they were happy they were complaining about the awful EU (and they still are). Here's John Gruber (who I like a lot, but you know when his Apple blinders are blinding him). https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/09/23/eu-usbc-mandate https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/09/23/eu-usbc-mandate And now they're complaining about the EU requiring Apple to open up iOS like the Mac, and they are pushing back against that. It's the regulatory version of how everything sucked until Apple did it (so multi-tasking on phones is awful, until Apple decided that actually now it's ok and now Stage Manager is the best thing since sliced bread).
  - cpuguy83 3y ago
    Who is "they". You are lumping millions of people into a single group and treating it like there is one opinion. The people who complained about one thing isn't even necessarily the same group complaining about the other.
  - tiltowait 3y ago
    It's perfectly reasonable to like the present outcome without liking the methods or the road taken to get there. I, for one, expect the regulation to stifle innovation in a few years. USB-C isn't perfect, and moving off it will probably be difficult.
- rand_flip_bit 3y ago
  You could already do this before the port change, you just need a USB-C to Lightning cable (which has been included in the box for a few years now). Being able to use the same cable is nice and all, but in practice I want two or more cables anyway to charge multiple devices at the same time. If one of those cables happens to have a different connector on one end it isn't the end of the world.
  - dmonitor 3y ago
    being able to charge my phone after leaving the plug at the airport (like a dumbass) because i had my laptop charger was really convenient for me
manuelabeledo 3y ago
> Remember how MS wasn’t doing all this shit 5-10 years ago? You mean just these dark patterns with their browser, right? I may have written about this a dozen times on HN, but there was a time when Exchange refused to play nice with anything that wasn't an Outlook client. Even nowadays, Outlook doesn't support half a dozen standards that would allow better interoperability with other calendars and clients. Embrace, extend, extinguish is not something Microsoft has reneged of since the origin of the phrase back in the 90s.

dmonitor 3y ago

All the “Appleoids” i’ve come across are happy that they can finally use their macbook chargers with their iphones.

psjs 3y ago
Won’t that degenerate the battery at a much quicker rate?
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  USB-C controllers negotiate the correct voltage and amperage.
- eimrine 3y ago
  All quick charge approaches do this. You'll buy a new one faster.
- lxgr 3y ago
  No, why would it? The phone always charges as fast as it wants to, so it doesn't really matter if you connect it to a 20W or a 240W power supply.
asdajksah2123 3y ago
Right...but before they were happy they were complaining about the awful EU (and they still are). Here's John Gruber (who I like a lot, but you know when his Apple blinders are blinding him). https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/09/23/eu-usbc-mandate https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/09/23/eu-usbc-mandate And now they're complaining about the EU requiring Apple to open up iOS like the Mac, and they are pushing back against that. It's the regulatory version of how everything sucked until Apple did it (so multi-tasking on phones is awful, until Apple decided that actually now it's ok and now Stage Manager is the best thing since sliced bread).
- cpuguy83 3y ago
  Who is "they". You are lumping millions of people into a single group and treating it like there is one opinion. The people who complained about one thing isn't even necessarily the same group complaining about the other.
- tiltowait 3y ago
  It's perfectly reasonable to like the present outcome without liking the methods or the road taken to get there. I, for one, expect the regulation to stifle innovation in a few years. USB-C isn't perfect, and moving off it will probably be difficult.
rand_flip_bit 3y ago
You could already do this before the port change, you just need a USB-C to Lightning cable (which has been included in the box for a few years now). Being able to use the same cable is nice and all, but in practice I want two or more cables anyway to charge multiple devices at the same time. If one of those cables happens to have a different connector on one end it isn't the end of the world.
- dmonitor 3y ago
  being able to charge my phone after leaving the plug at the airport (like a dumbass) because i had my laptop charger was really convenient for me

manuelabeledo 3y ago

> Remember how MS wasn’t doing all this shit 5-10 years ago? You mean just these dark patterns with their browser, right? I may have written about this a dozen times on HN, but there was a time when Exchange refused to play nice with anything that wasn't an Outlook client. Even nowadays, Outlook doesn't support half a dozen standards that would allow better interoperability with other calendars and clients. Embrace, extend, extinguish is not something Microsoft has reneged of since the origin of the phrase back in the 90s.