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Nobody should ever be prosecuted for viewing or reading anything, anywhere. Doing so is a hallmark of a de-facto police state. It's a fundamental liberty we hav

by 127361 3y ago

Nobody should ever be prosecuted for viewing or reading anything, anywhere. Doing so is a hallmark of a de-facto police state. It's a fundamental liberty we have forgotten about as the frog has slowly boiled over the last 40 years.

WheatMillington 3y ago
Do you honestly believe that viewing CSAM shouldn't be a crime? Is this really the logical end-point of this style of techo-libertarianism?
- mmh0000 3y ago
  Yes. Imagine how easy it is to get people you dislike arrested with a bit[1] of CSAM. On the other hand, I feel that creating and/or distributing CSAM should result in instant death for the creator. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Solon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Solon EDIT: Creating and/or distributing.
  - 127361 3y ago
    This is just the tip of the iceberg: Bluetooth keystroke-injection in Android, Linux macOS and iOS: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38661182 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38661182 These laws which criminalize viewing or reading things need to go now.
- 127361 3y ago
  Yes, absolutely. It is today's equivalent of moral puritanism. It is absolutey inconceivable to me that a 21st Century society could be prosecuting people for viewing images. Distributing and making those images should remain a crime, of course. But absolutely not viewing. And we can continue to shut down the sites hosting such material, and encourage those who come across them to report them. It is not acceptable to prosecute someone for the act of viewing a web site, regardless of it's content. Doing so is absolute totalitarianism. In a free society, people should be able to browse any part of the Web without fear of punishment, it is fundamental. That includes exploring the darknet, one of the most interesting parts of the Web, without having to fear prosecution for unintentionally coming across child pornography.

by 127361 3y ago

WheatMillington 3y ago

Do you honestly believe that viewing CSAM shouldn't be a crime? Is this really the logical end-point of this style of techo-libertarianism?

mmh0000 3y ago
Yes. Imagine how easy it is to get people you dislike arrested with a bit[1] of CSAM. On the other hand, I feel that creating and/or distributing CSAM should result in instant death for the creator. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Solon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Solon EDIT: Creating and/or distributing.
- 127361 3y ago
  This is just the tip of the iceberg: Bluetooth keystroke-injection in Android, Linux macOS and iOS: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38661182 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38661182 These laws which criminalize viewing or reading things need to go now.
127361 3y ago
Yes, absolutely. It is today's equivalent of moral puritanism. It is absolutey inconceivable to me that a 21st Century society could be prosecuting people for viewing images. Distributing and making those images should remain a crime, of course. But absolutely not viewing. And we can continue to shut down the sites hosting such material, and encourage those who come across them to report them. It is not acceptable to prosecute someone for the act of viewing a web site, regardless of it's content. Doing so is absolute totalitarianism. In a free society, people should be able to browse any part of the Web without fear of punishment, it is fundamental. That includes exploring the darknet, one of the most interesting parts of the Web, without having to fear prosecution for unintentionally coming across child pornography.