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It’s only disappointing if you care about the relative power of national economies. As someone who doesn’t care at all about stack ranking or any nation’s “nat

by sneak 3y ago

It’s only disappointing if you care about the relative power of national economies. As someone who doesn’t care at all about stack ranking or any nation’s “national security”, as a consumer, more competition, and more and cheaper products is a simple and uncomplicated win. Almost all of my favorite companies are in Shenzhen presently. I would move there if I could do so easily.

nine_k 3y ago
With China's policy being what it currently is, we're going to feel the economic consequences, in the US and in Shenzhen alike :( Good thing if it's going to be only limited to economic consequences.
kube-system 3y ago
Geopolitics giveth cheap consumer electronics, and it can also taketh them away.
kilroy123 3y ago
I'm curious, what are the companies?
skydhash 3y ago
> Almost all of my favorite companies are in Shenzhen presently. All my favorite devices were designed/engineered either in Japan or in the USA. I'd take good engineering over cheap manufacturing every time. And we could do with lower number of devices. While they are probably made in the same factory, I'd love a focus on quality instead of price.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  Following your own logic, you'd never have had any Japanese engineering if everyone thought the same thing about japan in the 60s and 70s. It used to be considered the place where cheap stuff and knock offs were made, but it evolved from there. Same seems to be happening to China right now
baq 3y ago
unless you are a descendant of Chinese or at least Asian people, if you move, you may find what "national security" is about. countries compete, albeit on different rules - having a monopoly on violence and a centrally controlled money printer tends to do that - so your dream of 'just pure free market competition' can only ever be that - a dream.
mcmoor 3y ago
As someone who actually care about those but not a US citizen, I welcome all of these! It's just funny seeing the free trade principles that's been repeated over the ages getting reversed like this. Now this is the end of colonization.

by sneak 3y ago

nine_k 3y ago

With China's policy being what it currently is, we're going to feel the economic consequences, in the US and in Shenzhen alike :( Good thing if it's going to be only limited to economic consequences.

kube-system 3y ago

Geopolitics giveth cheap consumer electronics, and it can also taketh them away.

kilroy123 3y ago

I'm curious, what are the companies?

skydhash 3y ago

> Almost all of my favorite companies are in Shenzhen presently. All my favorite devices were designed/engineered either in Japan or in the USA. I'd take good engineering over cheap manufacturing every time. And we could do with lower number of devices. While they are probably made in the same factory, I'd love a focus on quality instead of price.

mardifoufs 3y ago
Following your own logic, you'd never have had any Japanese engineering if everyone thought the same thing about japan in the 60s and 70s. It used to be considered the place where cheap stuff and knock offs were made, but it evolved from there. Same seems to be happening to China right now

baq 3y ago

unless you are a descendant of Chinese or at least Asian people, if you move, you may find what "national security" is about. countries compete, albeit on different rules - having a monopoly on violence and a centrally controlled money printer tends to do that - so your dream of 'just pure free market competition' can only ever be that - a dream.

mcmoor 3y ago

As someone who actually care about those but not a US citizen, I welcome all of these! It's just funny seeing the free trade principles that's been repeated over the ages getting reversed like this. Now this is the end of colonization.