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I don't know why you're bringing up prison when my question didn't assume any specific form of punishment. >And I mainly say this because a more prison-aboliti

I don't know why you're bringing up prison when my question didn't assume any specific form of punishment. >And I mainly say this because a more prison-abolitionist position here makes even more sense for these kinds of issues: be something akin to organized, intensive therapy and/or psychological treatment to address the underlying issues, and, failing that, a position in society where the person in question would not be exposed to children I disagree with your reasoning. If it was possible to immediately and perfectly detect pedophiles, confinement for life would be the best way to deal with them, because there we would be sure they could not possibly have access to children. I don't know why you think that abolishing prison would make more sense to deal with pedophiles. >certainly not indulging their desires with placebos until such time as the fakes don't work anymore I see, the gateway sexbot argument. >not solving the societal issue of pedophiles existing It's unclear to me that it's a problem that has a solution. Like the other guy said, if conversion therapy for homosexuality is believed to be ineffective, why are we assuming that conversion therapy for pedophiles would not be? I am able to be convinced that somehow only one of the two could be effective, but I would need to hear some justification.

Brian_K_White 3y ago
One difference is you can explain what makes paedophilia wrong, who it harms, and exactly how, and how that harm compares to the "harm" of denying the paedophile, while there are no such facts to explain about homosexuality. I don't mean that merely stating a few truths solves all the problem and that conversion therapy would work, I'm just saying that there is a difference. I know if it were me, maybe nothing would change what I want, but the therapy aspect has to have valid arguments just as a baseline to even allow for the possibility that I even listen at all. Maybe for some at least it's enough to cause them to artificially control themselves. I don't think that's too crazy because I think artificially civil behavior is rather common. I mean good grief just the phenomenon of cheating in relationships. It happens rather a lot, but for every occurance of cheating in a relationship there must be 1000 artificially decided not to do something they really did want to. It probably just comes down to how many paedophiles are actually full on sociopaths or psychopaths that don't really empathize with anyone, the kids being no different, vs how many just want what they want in that one context but otherwise are functional humans who do possess the ability to empathize and care about anyone else. Those are two different cases.

Brian_K_White 3y ago

One difference is you can explain what makes paedophilia wrong, who it harms, and exactly how, and how that harm compares to the "harm" of denying the paedophile, while there are no such facts to explain about homosexuality. I don't mean that merely stating a few truths solves all the problem and that conversion therapy would work, I'm just saying that there is a difference. I know if it were me, maybe nothing would change what I want, but the therapy aspect has to have valid arguments just as a baseline to even allow for the possibility that I even listen at all. Maybe for some at least it's enough to cause them to artificially control themselves. I don't think that's too crazy because I think artificially civil behavior is rather common. I mean good grief just the phenomenon of cheating in relationships. It happens rather a lot, but for every occurance of cheating in a relationship there must be 1000 artificially decided not to do something they really did want to. It probably just comes down to how many paedophiles are actually full on sociopaths or psychopaths that don't really empathize with anyone, the kids being no different, vs how many just want what they want in that one context but otherwise are functional humans who do possess the ability to empathize and care about anyone else. Those are two different cases.