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Americans are seemingly happy to outsource regulation.

by Bayart 3y ago

infecto 3y ago
And Europeans are seemingly happy lagging behind the world in most areas of manufacturing, technology, research etc. Generalized statements are dumb.
- dukeyukey 3y ago
  Europe outdoes basically everywhere on the planet on those things outside the US and China, and outdoes them in several fields too.
- gcnnbdff 3y ago
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- Moldoteck 3y ago
  Aren't most precision manufacturing tools made in... europe and imported in china?
  - infecto 3y ago
    I don't have a citation for those being imported to China but the last decade has been a massive change and many of those precision tools have been copied in excellent quality in China now. It is only a matter of time.
    - Moldoteck 3y ago
      https://www.volza.com/p/precision-machine-tool/import/import-in-china/ https://www.volza.com/p/precision-machine-tool/import/import... Looks like they still haven't figured out this)
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > And Europeans are seemingly happy lagging behind the world in most areas of manufacturing, technology, research etc. Huh what? Biontech is a German company. The German Mittelstand literally runs half of the "hidden champions" worldwide - companies that everyone else depends on, that have utter dominance in their niche market. German cars are of a hardware build quality that makes anyone else - particularly Tesla - be dead in the water (although the software side of German cars is just the other way around, I'll admit that). Germany literally created the market for cheap solar panels by massively subsidizing them during the Schröder years. MP3? A standard developed by Fraunhofer in Germany. CERN and ITER? European based. Europe as a whole has an actually working high-speed train network. The maglev train? A German invention. Brutal and effective collective worker action (aka strikes)? A French patent. Chip-and-PIN? Introduced in Europe. A ton of ISO standards? They are actually extensions or adoption of German DIN, including the paper size that almost everyone but the US uses. Metric/SI system? An European invention. MySQL? A Swedish invention. Linux? Invented by a Finn. Half of mobile communications dates back to stuff from Nokia and Ericsson. The only area where Europe lags behind is providing insane amounts of insanely dumb capital to startups.
  - infecto 3y ago
    Sorry you missed the second part of my statement. Generalized statements are dumb. It was half satire and half serious. Of course there are winners in all regions of the world. Most of your examples are pretty biased though. Japanese cars > German cars. China is probably more relevant to the massive cost reductions in solar panels. Europe has a high-speed train network because of its age and size. Not practical in many parts of the world but I would say China's network is much better than Europes. Maglev trains were not a German invention. You are missing the bigger picture of my half serious side. I am not talking about specific inventions but that 1) making a generalize statement is pointless and just introduces useless strife and 2) the EU is starting to get eaten away by Chinese manufacturing and innovation. There is a balance between regulation and free markets and if I was wanting to HQ a company I am not sure I would pick the EU.
- Barrin92 3y ago
  seemingly is doing a lot of work in that sentence[1]. Europe 's manufacturing output is larger than North Americas. On a per capita basis the manufacturing output in Germany is almost 4x higher than in China. That's not dumb because it's a generalization, that's dumb because it's wrong. [1]https://cdn.howmuch.net/articles/world-map-manufacturing-output-6a01.jpg https://cdn.howmuch.net/articles/world-map-manufacturing-out...
  - infecto 3y ago
    I am not sure how defenseable manufacturing is alone when China has been making massive strides in the past 10 years. The whole point of this original thread is that the EU is blocking an acquisition of a failing company where no real competition exists domestically. China is eating everyones lunch in the robotic vacuum space and its a comical defense to block this purchase. I believe these policies will hurt the EU in the long run, time will tell.

Americans are seemingly happy to outsource regulation.

by Bayart 3y ago

Americans are seemingly happy to outsource regulation.

And Europeans are seemingly happy lagging behind the world in most areas of manufacturing, technology, research etc. Generalized statements are dumb.

dukeyukey 3y ago
Europe outdoes basically everywhere on the planet on those things outside the US and China, and outdoes them in several fields too.
gcnnbdff 3y ago
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Moldoteck 3y ago
Aren't most precision manufacturing tools made in... europe and imported in china?
- infecto 3y ago
  I don't have a citation for those being imported to China but the last decade has been a massive change and many of those precision tools have been copied in excellent quality in China now. It is only a matter of time.
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    https://www.volza.com/p/precision-machine-tool/import/import-in-china/ https://www.volza.com/p/precision-machine-tool/import/import... Looks like they still haven't figured out this)
mschuster91 3y ago
> And Europeans are seemingly happy lagging behind the world in most areas of manufacturing, technology, research etc. Huh what? Biontech is a German company. The German Mittelstand literally runs half of the "hidden champions" worldwide - companies that everyone else depends on, that have utter dominance in their niche market. German cars are of a hardware build quality that makes anyone else - particularly Tesla - be dead in the water (although the software side of German cars is just the other way around, I'll admit that). Germany literally created the market for cheap solar panels by massively subsidizing them during the Schröder years. MP3? A standard developed by Fraunhofer in Germany. CERN and ITER? European based. Europe as a whole has an actually working high-speed train network. The maglev train? A German invention. Brutal and effective collective worker action (aka strikes)? A French patent. Chip-and-PIN? Introduced in Europe. A ton of ISO standards? They are actually extensions or adoption of German DIN, including the paper size that almost everyone but the US uses. Metric/SI system? An European invention. MySQL? A Swedish invention. Linux? Invented by a Finn. Half of mobile communications dates back to stuff from Nokia and Ericsson. The only area where Europe lags behind is providing insane amounts of insanely dumb capital to startups.
- infecto 3y ago
  Sorry you missed the second part of my statement. Generalized statements are dumb. It was half satire and half serious. Of course there are winners in all regions of the world. Most of your examples are pretty biased though. Japanese cars > German cars. China is probably more relevant to the massive cost reductions in solar panels. Europe has a high-speed train network because of its age and size. Not practical in many parts of the world but I would say China's network is much better than Europes. Maglev trains were not a German invention. You are missing the bigger picture of my half serious side. I am not talking about specific inventions but that 1) making a generalize statement is pointless and just introduces useless strife and 2) the EU is starting to get eaten away by Chinese manufacturing and innovation. There is a balance between regulation and free markets and if I was wanting to HQ a company I am not sure I would pick the EU.
Barrin92 3y ago
seemingly is doing a lot of work in that sentence[1]. Europe 's manufacturing output is larger than North Americas. On a per capita basis the manufacturing output in Germany is almost 4x higher than in China. That's not dumb because it's a generalization, that's dumb because it's wrong. [1]https://cdn.howmuch.net/articles/world-map-manufacturing-output-6a01.jpg https://cdn.howmuch.net/articles/world-map-manufacturing-out...
- infecto 3y ago
  I am not sure how defenseable manufacturing is alone when China has been making massive strides in the past 10 years. The whole point of this original thread is that the EU is blocking an acquisition of a failing company where no real competition exists domestically. China is eating everyones lunch in the robotic vacuum space and its a comical defense to block this purchase. I believe these policies will hurt the EU in the long run, time will tell.