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I mean users do complain about not being able to sideload apps, which is an issue that is at least partially/minimally addressed through PWAs.

scarface_74 3y ago
How many users outside of geeks complain about side loading?
- dnissley 3y ago
  Whenever a family member bitches to me about not being able to buy kindle books through the kindle app I count that as a non-geeky complaint about sideloading :)
threeseed 3y ago
I imagine users care far more about how bloated and slow Slack, Teams etc are. Rather than whether they can side-load some apps that don't already exist on the App Store. Which apart from gambling, porn and crypto I can't exactly think what they are.
- fauigerzigerk 3y ago
  Porn is a significant share of device/internet usage though (not sure how big gambling is).
  - threeseed 3y ago
    And plenty of people watch porn on iPhones today. This is more about having specific apps for it.
    - fauigerzigerk 3y ago
      This is about whether or not people might complain about not being able to side-load apps. As a significant content category is excluded from the app store, it seems very likely that some people would like to side-load those apps and complain about not being able to do so. [Edit] Another reason why people might want to side-load is to circumvent restrictions or censorship in authoritarian countries (e.g VPNs).
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        I really hate to ask this question because it may lead down a road that I don’t want to go. But what could a porn app do that you can’t do by going on a website?
        fauigerzigerk 3y ago
        If you can answer this question for Youtube and TikTok, you have already answered it for porn tube sites as well. Other categories would probably be erotic themed chat apps, social networks and of course games. And the reasons are just as valid or invalid as for the respective non-porn equivalents. As far as I'm concerned, almost all apps could be websites.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        And what do you actually get from the YouTube app that you can’t do from the website especially now that Safari finally supports notifications from the web? The same with chat apps? I prefer using the Facebook website over the native app because the in app webview doesn’t support ad block.
        fauigerzigerk 3y ago
        I often prefer webapps as well, for instance because I can open multiple pages to keep state I meant to come back to. But all the same reasons why some apps need native features and why some people prefer native apps are just as valid for porn. It’s not my personal preference.

scarface_74 3y ago

How many users outside of geeks complain about side loading?

dnissley 3y ago
Whenever a family member bitches to me about not being able to buy kindle books through the kindle app I count that as a non-geeky complaint about sideloading :)

threeseed 3y ago

I imagine users care far more about how bloated and slow Slack, Teams etc are. Rather than whether they can side-load some apps that don't already exist on the App Store. Which apart from gambling, porn and crypto I can't exactly think what they are.

fauigerzigerk 3y ago
Porn is a significant share of device/internet usage though (not sure how big gambling is).
- threeseed 3y ago
  And plenty of people watch porn on iPhones today. This is more about having specific apps for it.
  - fauigerzigerk 3y ago
    This is about whether or not people might complain about not being able to side-load apps. As a significant content category is excluded from the app store, it seems very likely that some people would like to side-load those apps and complain about not being able to do so. [Edit] Another reason why people might want to side-load is to circumvent restrictions or censorship in authoritarian countries (e.g VPNs).
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      I really hate to ask this question because it may lead down a road that I don’t want to go. But what could a porn app do that you can’t do by going on a website?
      - fauigerzigerk 3y ago
        If you can answer this question for Youtube and TikTok, you have already answered it for porn tube sites as well. Other categories would probably be erotic themed chat apps, social networks and of course games. And the reasons are just as valid or invalid as for the respective non-porn equivalents. As far as I'm concerned, almost all apps could be websites.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        And what do you actually get from the YouTube app that you can’t do from the website especially now that Safari finally supports notifications from the web? The same with chat apps? I prefer using the Facebook website over the native app because the in app webview doesn’t support ad block.
        fauigerzigerk 3y ago
        I often prefer webapps as well, for instance because I can open multiple pages to keep state I meant to come back to. But all the same reasons why some apps need native features and why some people prefer native apps are just as valid for porn. It’s not my personal preference.