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Historically there always has been a furious reaction from women/feminist movements against anything related to this, even in past decades when even the act of

Historically there always has been a furious reaction from women/feminist movements against anything related to this, even in past decades when even the act of thinking or imagine anything like this was all one could do. This is a topic with more mines than an Ukrainian field, but I'll say this: Last century, we moved places because there were many problems and deservedly so we wanted something better, we had to choose paths to take. What if the paths we choose weren't the best ones? Can we have the courage to admit that? This doesn't invalidate any problems with the starting point, but the place we ended up might not be any better. The same applies to this "sex robots" thing, the place of unimaginable silent pain and loneliness is already here, so we want to move to a better place, is this the best choice? or is this the only choice available to those in need? - Just as the first part, this one is to be answered by the ones following the path, not the ones on the sidewalk.

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yareal 3y ago
Women, and especially feminist women, in my experience are pretty open to the idea that the need for sex exists and that sex toys are a delight. What they object to is the equating women to sex objects - treating women like sex tours rather than whole human beings with rich lives and emotional depth and complexity. Some men have a hard time decoupling the concepts. A fancy toy like proposed in the article is great for the folks who want it so long as it's not seen as a "woman analogue". (Just like how a dildo isn't a man analogue.) There should be no shame in sex toys, if they make someone happy, go for it. I'm not sure what the implication of "best choice" vs "only choice" is referring to, because I could interpret it quite negatively I think maybe you could expand that idea more?
lawlessone 3y ago
I think the issue is when it's a bot or doll emulating a full human and hitting the uncanny valley. Plenty of toys out there for men and women nobody has an issue with outside of some(not all), strongly religious people. If there was more of market for male dolls I could definitely some elements of the "manosphere" decrying it as an attempt to denigrate and replace men. The UK already had an incident with mentally ill guy wanting to kill the queen. Partially because he felt an AI "girlfriend" encouraged him to do so. https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/10/06/man-encouraged-by-an-ai-chatbot-to-assassinate-queen-elizabeth-ii-receives-9-year-prison-s https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/10/06/man-encouraged-by-a... So it isn't that impossible to believe some user somewhere , divorced from reality , will do something bad to a real person that they might not have done had they not tried it with these dolls/bots. I don't think they should be banned(although ones emulating children probably should be), but it's worth debating it.
jijijijij 3y ago
A sex toy is a sex toy, not a substitute for a human being. If you'd frame the topic differently, maybe "women/feminist movements" wouldn't "always react furiously". Why even bring that up? Regardless of truth in that statement, considering crime statistics, a woman has every right to be scared, when a man views them categorically, as something that can be replaced by a doll companion, at all. Same with AI porn, the concept of consensual sexuality becomes even more distant. That's scary, as we're not living in a world where that's all fun and games. At least in Germany, most murder victims are still women. Objectification and feelings of possession is a major cause for femicides. Super cool, if your fetish is sex robots. But even bringing up "loneliness" and "choice" ... idk, man.
- PedroBatista 3y ago
  This comment is one of the reasons I've said topic has "more mines than an Ukrainian field".. Statements like "Regardless of truth in that statement.." say much if not everything. > At least in Germany, most murder victims are still women. This is objectively not true, for ex. in 2019 of the the 623 murders, 347 were male, 276 were female. > Super cool, if your fetish is sex robots. But even bringing up "loneliness" and "choice" ... idk, man. This statement reveals either a profound ignorance, a extreme lack of empathy or both. I understand if you come here with an axe to grind, but it's not productive in any way and this conversation will change nothing. Just a side note about "the concept of consensual sexuality", go do some research about the most consumed ( by far ) adult literature by women. Also, are we back to the 80s "conversation" about video games and their affect on children? quite the progress...
  - jijijijij 3y ago
    Objectively true, for the most recent stats: https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/2022/Bund/Opfer/BU-O-01-T91-Opfer_xls.xlsx https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/Pol... So, now what, gonna address the issue? Even your stats should give you pause, as there is quite the discrepancy on perpetrator sex isn't there?

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yareal 3y ago

Women, and especially feminist women, in my experience are pretty open to the idea that the need for sex exists and that sex toys are a delight. What they object to is the equating women to sex objects - treating women like sex tours rather than whole human beings with rich lives and emotional depth and complexity. Some men have a hard time decoupling the concepts. A fancy toy like proposed in the article is great for the folks who want it so long as it's not seen as a "woman analogue". (Just like how a dildo isn't a man analogue.) There should be no shame in sex toys, if they make someone happy, go for it. I'm not sure what the implication of "best choice" vs "only choice" is referring to, because I could interpret it quite negatively I think maybe you could expand that idea more?

lawlessone 3y ago

I think the issue is when it's a bot or doll emulating a full human and hitting the uncanny valley. Plenty of toys out there for men and women nobody has an issue with outside of some(not all), strongly religious people. If there was more of market for male dolls I could definitely some elements of the "manosphere" decrying it as an attempt to denigrate and replace men. The UK already had an incident with mentally ill guy wanting to kill the queen. Partially because he felt an AI "girlfriend" encouraged him to do so. https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/10/06/man-encouraged-by-an-ai-chatbot-to-assassinate-queen-elizabeth-ii-receives-9-year-prison-s https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/10/06/man-encouraged-by-a... So it isn't that impossible to believe some user somewhere , divorced from reality , will do something bad to a real person that they might not have done had they not tried it with these dolls/bots. I don't think they should be banned(although ones emulating children probably should be), but it's worth debating it.

jijijijij 3y ago

A sex toy is a sex toy, not a substitute for a human being. If you'd frame the topic differently, maybe "women/feminist movements" wouldn't "always react furiously". Why even bring that up? Regardless of truth in that statement, considering crime statistics, a woman has every right to be scared, when a man views them categorically, as something that can be replaced by a doll companion, at all. Same with AI porn, the concept of consensual sexuality becomes even more distant. That's scary, as we're not living in a world where that's all fun and games. At least in Germany, most murder victims are still women. Objectification and feelings of possession is a major cause for femicides. Super cool, if your fetish is sex robots. But even bringing up "loneliness" and "choice" ... idk, man.

PedroBatista 3y ago
This comment is one of the reasons I've said topic has "more mines than an Ukrainian field".. Statements like "Regardless of truth in that statement.." say much if not everything. > At least in Germany, most murder victims are still women. This is objectively not true, for ex. in 2019 of the the 623 murders, 347 were male, 276 were female. > Super cool, if your fetish is sex robots. But even bringing up "loneliness" and "choice" ... idk, man. This statement reveals either a profound ignorance, a extreme lack of empathy or both. I understand if you come here with an axe to grind, but it's not productive in any way and this conversation will change nothing. Just a side note about "the concept of consensual sexuality", go do some research about the most consumed ( by far ) adult literature by women. Also, are we back to the 80s "conversation" about video games and their affect on children? quite the progress...
- jijijijij 3y ago
  Objectively true, for the most recent stats: https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/2022/Bund/Opfer/BU-O-01-T91-Opfer_xls.xlsx https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/Pol... So, now what, gonna address the issue? Even your stats should give you pause, as there is quite the discrepancy on perpetrator sex isn't there?