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Why not? Honestly asking here. Let's assume oposition to the law is a "progressive" position: If there is a constitutional right to absolutely 100% friction f

Why not? Honestly asking here. Let's assume oposition to the law is a "progressive" position: If there is a constitutional right to absolutely 100% friction free access to information then what happens to all the barriers the government has erected to access covid, Trump, Russia and other "disinformation" progressive pushed for? (You can invert this example for a right wing if you want)

nickthegreek 3y ago
Not everyone has a credit card. Some people cannot obtain a credit card. People under the age of 18 can also have a credit card. I do not trust random sites with my credit card.
- thsksbd 3y ago
  So these are objections in practice, not principle. Important but consider: - Most states give free IDs - Your safety concern is addressed by other commenters here (see the verifying age anonymously)
  - averageRoyalty 3y ago
    You understand the intenet isn't made up of US states, right?
  - Tadpole9181 3y ago
    How about this: I don't want every little thing I do on the internet tracked and tied to my real identity? Is the CCP conducting a psyops on HN right now or something? Since when were we all for every tiny interaction you have on the internet requiring you to look in the scanner and say "My name is X and I love my government and McDonalds"?
    - CaptainFever 3y ago
      HN seems to have become a lot more mainstream, in comparison to the old cyberlibertarian "privacy and piracy" days.
      - Tadpole9181 3y ago
        Where's the new hangout?
  - djfdat 3y ago
    Gut check was that the "Most states give free IDs" statement wouldn't hold up. So I checked real quick. "At least eight states issue free or discounted IDs to low-income or homeless residents and at least 10 states waive ID fees for seniors." That's far from most states, and even then it comes with stipulations.
  - nickthegreek 3y ago
    You changed the argument from credit card to government Id (an even worse idea imo). You seem to want the law to be that I need to show ID to enter most internet establishments. I will never, ever, ever hold that opinion.
frumper 3y ago
Growing up I remember the trope about showing papers to do anything in the USSR. It was in direct contrast to the display of freedom in America.
jMyles 3y ago
> If there is a constitutional right to absolutely 100% friction free access to information then what happens to all the barriers the government has erected to access covid, Trump, Russia and other "disinformation" progressive pushed for? ...those barriers go away. They never really existed in the first place in any real way. Like the Great Firewall, they were a polite fiction defining what people are allowed to know, but were trivially circumvented from minute zero. This is one of the most reliable and desirable features of the internet in the first place.

nickthegreek 3y ago

Not everyone has a credit card. Some people cannot obtain a credit card. People under the age of 18 can also have a credit card. I do not trust random sites with my credit card.

thsksbd 3y ago
So these are objections in practice, not principle. Important but consider: - Most states give free IDs - Your safety concern is addressed by other commenters here (see the verifying age anonymously)
- averageRoyalty 3y ago
  You understand the intenet isn't made up of US states, right?
- Tadpole9181 3y ago
  How about this: I don't want every little thing I do on the internet tracked and tied to my real identity? Is the CCP conducting a psyops on HN right now or something? Since when were we all for every tiny interaction you have on the internet requiring you to look in the scanner and say "My name is X and I love my government and McDonalds"?
  - CaptainFever 3y ago
    HN seems to have become a lot more mainstream, in comparison to the old cyberlibertarian "privacy and piracy" days.
    - Tadpole9181 3y ago
      Where's the new hangout?
- djfdat 3y ago
  Gut check was that the "Most states give free IDs" statement wouldn't hold up. So I checked real quick. "At least eight states issue free or discounted IDs to low-income or homeless residents and at least 10 states waive ID fees for seniors." That's far from most states, and even then it comes with stipulations.
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  You changed the argument from credit card to government Id (an even worse idea imo). You seem to want the law to be that I need to show ID to enter most internet establishments. I will never, ever, ever hold that opinion.

frumper 3y ago

Growing up I remember the trope about showing papers to do anything in the USSR. It was in direct contrast to the display of freedom in America.

jMyles 3y ago

> If there is a constitutional right to absolutely 100% friction free access to information then what happens to all the barriers the government has erected to access covid, Trump, Russia and other "disinformation" progressive pushed for? ...those barriers go away. They never really existed in the first place in any real way. Like the Great Firewall, they were a polite fiction defining what people are allowed to know, but were trivially circumvented from minute zero. This is one of the most reliable and desirable features of the internet in the first place.