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We are talking about very different things here. There is a massive difference between exploits, gag orders, etc and normal day to day operations like what Goo

We are talking about very different things here. There is a massive difference between exploits, gag orders, etc and normal day to day operations like what Google and Facebook are doing here. I am not saying apple is saints, in my first line I very clearly said "companies" which includes Apple. But let's not pretend that Google and Facebook have not made Privacy invasion part of their business model and removed the ability for me to consent to my data being consumed by them regardless of how much effort I make to remove both from my life.

palata 3y ago
> But let's not pretend that Google and Facebook have not made Privacy invasion part of their business model and removed the ability for me to consent to my data being consumed by them regardless of how much effort I make to remove both from my life. I don't. I also don't pretend that Apple is better, though it seems to me that you do :-). > normal day to day operations like what Google and Facebook are doing here. I don't think that Google or Facebook extracting everything that appears on your screen (including e.g. Signal messages) to their servers would count as "normal day to day operations", though. I would guess that it would even be illegal. However they can probably do stuff with the data that you send to their servers unencrypted (iCloud too), which is where E2EE is interesting. But then again, using Signal with a recipient on Android or iMessage with iOS won't make a big difference, I would say.