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Usually, yes, and I do appreciate that about Ubuntu, but a lot of the answers/guides/blog posts I find are meant for 14.04-18.04 and are often not relevant any

Usually, yes, and I do appreciate that about Ubuntu, but a lot of the answers/guides/blog posts I find are meant for 14.04-18.04 and are often not relevant any more. It's hard to tell sometimes if that's Ubuntu changing things, or GNOME, or Wayland, or other things under the hood.

actionfromafar 3y ago
I have fallen back to Debian for after using Ubuntu for almost as long as it existed. I can't tell exactly what pushed me over the edge, but the release cadence which I love so much about Ubuntu (easy to plan for) just wasn't enough to keep my there anymore.
- stavros 3y ago
  I installed Debian on a home server instead of Ubuntu, and it just feels much snappier. After all the "everything's a snap!" and "here are all the packages you COULD have upgraded if you'd paid for Ubuntu Pro!" bullshit, I think I'm going to go to Debian unstable for my desktop as well.
  - pessimizer 3y ago
    Make sure you know what you're doing here: generally what people use is Debian testing, not Debian unstable, which is actually pretty unstable. Unstable only gets packages a week or so before testing.
    - stavros 3y ago
      Oh hm, thank you. Is testing rolling release as well? I would like something more stable than one-week-old packages, true.
- password4321 3y ago
  > I can't tell exactly what pushed me over the edge It was definitely snap for me.
  - drewzero1 3y ago
    Agreed, I've been bouncing back and forth between Debian and Ubuntu since Debian 7 came out, and I feel like I've been gradually caring about Ubuntu less and less since 12.04. The snap thing has been just kind of irritating, especially Firefox being snap by default (even, to my surprise, if installed via apt!) which breaks the Gnome integration and has (had?) worse performance than the .deb version. I did just read that Mozilla is releasing an official .deb package of Firefox for those of us who would rather not use the snap version, and I plan to give it a shot. But I'm thinking about transitioning back to Debian on some of my machines instead of upgrading them to 24.04.

actionfromafar 3y ago

I have fallen back to Debian for after using Ubuntu for almost as long as it existed. I can't tell exactly what pushed me over the edge, but the release cadence which I love so much about Ubuntu (easy to plan for) just wasn't enough to keep my there anymore.

stavros 3y ago
I installed Debian on a home server instead of Ubuntu, and it just feels much snappier. After all the "everything's a snap!" and "here are all the packages you COULD have upgraded if you'd paid for Ubuntu Pro!" bullshit, I think I'm going to go to Debian unstable for my desktop as well.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  Make sure you know what you're doing here: generally what people use is Debian testing, not Debian unstable, which is actually pretty unstable. Unstable only gets packages a week or so before testing.
  - stavros 3y ago
    Oh hm, thank you. Is testing rolling release as well? I would like something more stable than one-week-old packages, true.
password4321 3y ago
> I can't tell exactly what pushed me over the edge It was definitely snap for me.
- drewzero1 3y ago
  Agreed, I've been bouncing back and forth between Debian and Ubuntu since Debian 7 came out, and I feel like I've been gradually caring about Ubuntu less and less since 12.04. The snap thing has been just kind of irritating, especially Firefox being snap by default (even, to my surprise, if installed via apt!) which breaks the Gnome integration and has (had?) worse performance than the .deb version. I did just read that Mozilla is releasing an official .deb package of Firefox for those of us who would rather not use the snap version, and I plan to give it a shot. But I'm thinking about transitioning back to Debian on some of my machines instead of upgrading them to 24.04.