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As Vinni pointed it with irony. A honest „thank you“ to the people which made the thumbnails possible would be helpful. And involving itself. Or spending money

As Vinni pointed it with irony. A honest „thank you“ to the people which made the thumbnails possible would be helpful. And involving itself. Or spending money. Gtk and GNOME are not companies. People need a motivation - from their work or from outside.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>Gtk and GNOME are not companies. These are large entities made up of people, same as companies, not individual devs making a side project. Does that mean their work should not be criticized because their collective is not a registered publicly listed company? >People need a motivation - from their work or from outside. Also feedback. And that was my feedback, candid as it may be. Like I said below, FOSS work doesn't mean it should automatically be excluded form criticism, especially if that FOSS work is so big and influential enough that it ends up having impact on other products and on people's work and lives, like Gnome being the default on most free but also commercial distros. So please let's stop attacking and gaslighting critics, as if GNOME is some teenager developing his first app for free in his bedroom who should only be defended and praised for encouragement, instead of the giant mammoth project with private and public funding[1] developed by vested professionals of the software industry who know very well what they're doing and should be criticized when they do something wrong or are being needlessly petty and stubborn with their decisions and arguments, besides being praised when doing something right as there's already enough of that in this topic if you read it. [1] https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/gnome-sovereign-tech-fund https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/gnome-sovereign-tech-fun...
- ho_schi 3y ago
  Constructive criticism is helpful. And yes - some people get it wrong or are stubborn. People don’t act always perfect despite good intentions. I struggle often to find the right tone and interpret it properly. And I’m happy about Linux, GCC, Vim, Coretils and Gtk in general. GNOMEs keyboard centric usage is wonderful. That said. I’m usually sad about public long term forks. Because they are not about learning or improvement but that people often failed to communicate. Yes, sometimes their targets are just differing. Anyone good news? Maybe Mutter will support VRR itself. And maybe battery thresholds in a user friendly way. Woohooo No we just need convince the right people to add Type-Ahead-Find back in Nautilus and background transparency officially back in gnome-terminal. Both „back“. There is existing code for both.
  - tuna74 3y ago
    "No we just need convince the right people to add Type-Ahead-Find back in Nautilus and background transparency officially back in gnome-terminal. Both „back“. There is existing code for both." Or just make a fork if you want to.
- eptcyka 3y ago
  It can be criticized. But that criticism won't necessarily help anyone get what they want, least of all you.
  - xcdzvyn 3y ago
    I don't use GNOME :)
lelanthran 3y ago
> Gtk and GNOME are not companies. "Company" doesn't mean "business". It means a bunch of companions. Like the company in `The Fellowship of the Ring`.
carlosjobim 3y ago
> Or spending money. People are willing and ready to spend money on quality software. It is a trillion dollar industry. Open source is an endless circle of misery that needs to be ended as soon as possible.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>Gtk and GNOME are not companies. These are large entities made up of people, same as companies, not individual devs making a side project. Does that mean their work should not be criticized because their collective is not a registered publicly listed company? >People need a motivation - from their work or from outside. Also feedback. And that was my feedback, candid as it may be. Like I said below, FOSS work doesn't mean it should automatically be excluded form criticism, especially if that FOSS work is so big and influential enough that it ends up having impact on other products and on people's work and lives, like Gnome being the default on most free but also commercial distros. So please let's stop attacking and gaslighting critics, as if GNOME is some teenager developing his first app for free in his bedroom who should only be defended and praised for encouragement, instead of the giant mammoth project with private and public funding[1] developed by vested professionals of the software industry who know very well what they're doing and should be criticized when they do something wrong or are being needlessly petty and stubborn with their decisions and arguments, besides being praised when doing something right as there's already enough of that in this topic if you read it. [1] https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/gnome-sovereign-tech-fund https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/gnome-sovereign-tech-fun...

ho_schi 3y ago
Constructive criticism is helpful. And yes - some people get it wrong or are stubborn. People don’t act always perfect despite good intentions. I struggle often to find the right tone and interpret it properly. And I’m happy about Linux, GCC, Vim, Coretils and Gtk in general. GNOMEs keyboard centric usage is wonderful. That said. I’m usually sad about public long term forks. Because they are not about learning or improvement but that people often failed to communicate. Yes, sometimes their targets are just differing. Anyone good news? Maybe Mutter will support VRR itself. And maybe battery thresholds in a user friendly way. Woohooo No we just need convince the right people to add Type-Ahead-Find back in Nautilus and background transparency officially back in gnome-terminal. Both „back“. There is existing code for both.
- tuna74 3y ago
  "No we just need convince the right people to add Type-Ahead-Find back in Nautilus and background transparency officially back in gnome-terminal. Both „back“. There is existing code for both." Or just make a fork if you want to.
eptcyka 3y ago
It can be criticized. But that criticism won't necessarily help anyone get what they want, least of all you.
- xcdzvyn 3y ago
  I don't use GNOME :)

lelanthran 3y ago

> Gtk and GNOME are not companies. "Company" doesn't mean "business". It means a bunch of companions. Like the company in `The Fellowship of the Ring`.

carlosjobim 3y ago

> Or spending money. People are willing and ready to spend money on quality software. It is a trillion dollar industry. Open source is an endless circle of misery that needs to be ended as soon as possible.