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A Tesla used to be called the "best car ever made" — eleven years ago. In 2013 Consumer Reports called the Tesla Model S the best car it had ever tested. The M

A Tesla used to be called the "best car ever made" — eleven years ago. In 2013 Consumer Reports called the Tesla Model S the best car it had ever tested. The Model S earned a score of 99 out of a possible 100 in the magazine's tests. "If it could recharge in any gas station in three minutes, this car would score about 110," said Jake Fisher, head of auto testing for Consumer Reports. Fisher called the car's performance in the magazine's performance tests "off the charts."[1] What happened in the last 11 years? Did Teslas get worse or did expectations change significantly? [1] https://money.cnn.com/2013/05/09/autos/tesla-model-s-consumer-reports/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2013/05/09/autos/tesla-model-s-consume...

akmarinov 3y ago
Tesla focused on FSD almost exclusively and everything in the car's software suffered because of that and stupid decisions to remove hardware. Autopilot is on a separate branch from FSD, not getting significant updates with the promise that at some point, it'll be merged with the FSD branch and it'll be super awesome - this year for sure, but maybe next year or 10 years after, look we made a robot that's definitely not a guy in a suit and it'll be out in 5 years, maybe 10, it can water plants now!, look a Cybertruck! isn't steel cool, etc When they switched from Mobileye to their own stack, it noticeably regressed in performance, then they worked to get it to work decently, but dropped the radar during Covid, going all in on Vision, regressing it even further. They promised at that time to at some point match the original Autopilot by reintroducing a distance of 1 and a max speed higher than 140 km/h and it's been 2 years since then with nothing on the front. Summon/ Smart summon as the guy in the article points out - is great, but doesn't work without USS sensors, which they removed and the functionality is coming back some day, but likely not soon, because it's not a priority. They've been selling cars for more than a year now that don't have that functionality, even though it's in a package worth 4000 euros that gets you basically nothing. Autopark - same thing, just look at these videos as a comparison - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA&pp=ygUTcnN5bW1vbnMgdGVzbGEgcGFyaw%3D%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA&pp=ygUTcnN5bW1vb... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfM8pZS7PFU&t=190s&pp=ygUTcnN5bW1vbnMgdGVzbGEgcGFyaw%3D%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfM8pZS7PFU&t=190s&pp=ygUTcn... It's easily the worst out of all manufacturers. In the meantime FSD V11 will be the big one, V12 will finally drop the beta tag, etc, etc things that never happen and the rest of the functionalities just rot away.
- iknowstuff 3y ago
  I can't believe how much relentless online bitching there is about the sensors. You won't find anything approaching FSD in any other vehicle you could buy. Autopilot remains the most reliable autosteer product on the market. Smart summon sucks, so what - you won't find it on other cars and it might improve in a huge way with OTA. Unlike other cars. Autopark sucks big time. It might improve. It might not. Clearly, given the sales, online commentators care way more than actual consumers lol.
jitl 3y ago
They keep deleting stuff in the car. I think Model S is still quite good because it retains more physical creature comforts like turn signal, circular wheel, instrument panel, and hand-adjustable AC vents (in the model y, you can only change vent angle on the touch screen).

akmarinov 3y ago

Tesla focused on FSD almost exclusively and everything in the car's software suffered because of that and stupid decisions to remove hardware. Autopilot is on a separate branch from FSD, not getting significant updates with the promise that at some point, it'll be merged with the FSD branch and it'll be super awesome - this year for sure, but maybe next year or 10 years after, look we made a robot that's definitely not a guy in a suit and it'll be out in 5 years, maybe 10, it can water plants now!, look a Cybertruck! isn't steel cool, etc When they switched from Mobileye to their own stack, it noticeably regressed in performance, then they worked to get it to work decently, but dropped the radar during Covid, going all in on Vision, regressing it even further. They promised at that time to at some point match the original Autopilot by reintroducing a distance of 1 and a max speed higher than 140 km/h and it's been 2 years since then with nothing on the front. Summon/ Smart summon as the guy in the article points out - is great, but doesn't work without USS sensors, which they removed and the functionality is coming back some day, but likely not soon, because it's not a priority. They've been selling cars for more than a year now that don't have that functionality, even though it's in a package worth 4000 euros that gets you basically nothing. Autopark - same thing, just look at these videos as a comparison - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA&pp=ygUTcnN5bW1vbnMgdGVzbGEgcGFyaw%3D%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA&pp=ygUTcnN5bW1vb... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfM8pZS7PFU&t=190s&pp=ygUTcnN5bW1vbnMgdGVzbGEgcGFyaw%3D%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfM8pZS7PFU&t=190s&pp=ygUTcn... It's easily the worst out of all manufacturers. In the meantime FSD V11 will be the big one, V12 will finally drop the beta tag, etc, etc things that never happen and the rest of the functionalities just rot away.

iknowstuff 3y ago
I can't believe how much relentless online bitching there is about the sensors. You won't find anything approaching FSD in any other vehicle you could buy. Autopilot remains the most reliable autosteer product on the market. Smart summon sucks, so what - you won't find it on other cars and it might improve in a huge way with OTA. Unlike other cars. Autopark sucks big time. It might improve. It might not. Clearly, given the sales, online commentators care way more than actual consumers lol.

jitl 3y ago

They keep deleting stuff in the car. I think Model S is still quite good because it retains more physical creature comforts like turn signal, circular wheel, instrument panel, and hand-adjustable AC vents (in the model y, you can only change vent angle on the touch screen).