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>> Why you have never been in a plane crash? Because those who are in a plan crash are mostly dead?

defrost 3y ago
We don't count those that are eaten after the crash as they survived the impact and immediate aftermath. More seriously: But for those unlucky enough to be involved in the small percent of fatal air accidents, what are the odds of survival if your plane does crash? The NTSB says that despite more people flying than ever, the accident rate for commercial flights has remained the same for the last two decades, and the survivability rate is a high 95.7 percent. -- The European Transport Safety Council (ETSC) has also examined the survivability of aircraft accidents worldwide, estimating that 90 percent are survivable (no passengers died) or “technically survivable," where at least one occupant survives. Most of those fatalities were a result of impact and fire-related factors including smoke inhalation after impact. ~ https://abcnews.go.com/International/odds-surviving-plane-crash/story?id=22886654 https://abcnews.go.com/International/odds-surviving-plane-cr...
- mrjin 3y ago
  I guess it counts in minor accident that managed to land successfully and those more serious but crash landed with little or no casualties at all? As far as I know, there were no survivors in recent Boeing crashes. Correct me if I was wrong.
  - defrost 3y ago
    You're correct that there were no survivors of crashes that killed everbody. Of all the aircraft crashes that were counted as crashes by the NTB, many survived.
    - ourmandave 3y ago
      Unless you live in the Final Destination universe. Where the death-by-implausible-circumstances clock starts ticking.
keiferski 3y ago
I had the same thought. You, reader, have never been in a plane crash, because if you’d have been in one, you’d be dead.
- hk__2 3y ago
  > You, reader, have never been in a plane crash, because if you’d have been in one, you’d be dead. You’d be surprised: > According to a study by the European Transport Safety Council, plane crashes technically have a 90% survivability rate, and this figure is increasing, largely thanks to modern aircraft design, which features enough exits to allow for a full passenger evacuation in around 90 seconds. > Recent proof of plane crash survival came in October last year when a Boston-bound private plane taking off at Houston Executive Airport struck a fence and burst in flames. All 21 people onboard survived. In 2018, all 103 passengers survived a flaming plane crash in Mexico when strong winds brought down Aeromexico flight 2431. https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/06/15/how-to-survive-a-plane-crash https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/06/15/how-to-survive-a-...
  - mrjin 3y ago
    I would assume the pilots of those still had control to some extent?
    - sgjohnson 3y ago
      Total loss of control basically never happens. I’ve been reading and watching a lot of videos on aircraft accidents and near misses, and I haven’t seen a single one where there truly was a total loss of all controls over the aircraft. Even in the case of Japan Airlines Flight 123 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Flight_123 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Flight_123) the pilots still had some degree of control over the plane after its tail was ripped off due to a structural failure leading to explosive decompression at cruising altitude which also caused a total loss of all hydraulic systems. Unfortunately what they had left (control over the engine thrust) was not enough, but they sure did their best. Apparently you can still control (to some extent) the plane using just the engines, with and the vertical stabilizer being completely gone, and no hydraulics. And this was in 1985. I’m not saying that JAL 123 was in any way survivable (although some miraciously did survive), just pointing to the fact that even in the worst possible scenario there’s still probably a way to somehow control the plane.
mrjin 3y ago
I was about to say more or less the same thing, then I saw your post.

We don't count those that are eaten after the crash as they survived the impact and immediate aftermath. More seriously: But for those unlucky enough to be involved in the small percent of fatal air accidents, what are the odds of survival if your plane does crash? The NTSB says that despite more people flying than ever, the accident rate for commercial flights has remained the same for the last two decades, and the survivability rate is a high 95.7 percent. -- The European Transport Safety Council (ETSC) has also examined the survivability of aircraft accidents worldwide, estimating that 90 percent are survivable (no passengers died) or “technically survivable," where at least one occupant survives. Most of those fatalities were a result of impact and fire-related factors including smoke inhalation after impact. ~ https://abcnews.go.com/International/odds-surviving-plane-crash/story?id=22886654 https://abcnews.go.com/International/odds-surviving-plane-cr...

mrjin 3y ago
I guess it counts in minor accident that managed to land successfully and those more serious but crash landed with little or no casualties at all? As far as I know, there were no survivors in recent Boeing crashes. Correct me if I was wrong.
- defrost 3y ago
  You're correct that there were no survivors of crashes that killed everbody. Of all the aircraft crashes that were counted as crashes by the NTB, many survived.
  - ourmandave 3y ago
    Unless you live in the Final Destination universe. Where the death-by-implausible-circumstances clock starts ticking.

keiferski 3y ago

I had the same thought. You, reader, have never been in a plane crash, because if you’d have been in one, you’d be dead.

hk__2 3y ago
> You, reader, have never been in a plane crash, because if you’d have been in one, you’d be dead. You’d be surprised: > According to a study by the European Transport Safety Council, plane crashes technically have a 90% survivability rate, and this figure is increasing, largely thanks to modern aircraft design, which features enough exits to allow for a full passenger evacuation in around 90 seconds. > Recent proof of plane crash survival came in October last year when a Boston-bound private plane taking off at Houston Executive Airport struck a fence and burst in flames. All 21 people onboard survived. In 2018, all 103 passengers survived a flaming plane crash in Mexico when strong winds brought down Aeromexico flight 2431. https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/06/15/how-to-survive-a-plane-crash https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/06/15/how-to-survive-a-...
- mrjin 3y ago
  I would assume the pilots of those still had control to some extent?
  - sgjohnson 3y ago
    Total loss of control basically never happens. I’ve been reading and watching a lot of videos on aircraft accidents and near misses, and I haven’t seen a single one where there truly was a total loss of all controls over the aircraft. Even in the case of Japan Airlines Flight 123 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Flight_123 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Flight_123) the pilots still had some degree of control over the plane after its tail was ripped off due to a structural failure leading to explosive decompression at cruising altitude which also caused a total loss of all hydraulic systems. Unfortunately what they had left (control over the engine thrust) was not enough, but they sure did their best. Apparently you can still control (to some extent) the plane using just the engines, with and the vertical stabilizer being completely gone, and no hydraulics. And this was in 1985. I’m not saying that JAL 123 was in any way survivable (although some miraciously did survive), just pointing to the fact that even in the worst possible scenario there’s still probably a way to somehow control the plane.

mrjin 3y ago

I was about to say more or less the same thing, then I saw your post.