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> - it is dangerously hard to use any control that doesn't have a dedicated button. The touchscreen in a moving car is a moving mess of tiny targets crowded too

by quonn 3y ago

> - it is dangerously hard to use any control that doesn't have a dedicated button. The touchscreen in a moving car is a moving mess of tiny targets crowded too close together No it isn't. > - even if you have a dedicated control for say wipers, you will still curse interval wipers. Sensor-based wipers fail to predict rain regularly. I discussed this topic recently with a friend, her Mercedes has the same problem and it does have a sensor. > - if you get a newer car, you (basically) won't HAVE any dedicated controls. no turn signal stalk. No gear stalk - PRND - it will guess for you (really) That's a valid point. But it remains to be seen how much of a problem this is. Certainly other manufacturers (Volkswagen ID.4 for example) cramp many more buttons on the steering wheel. > - some functions - tesla doesn't care about, and never will. Like what? > - don't get a flat tire if you care about your time. If you can't change a spare, nvm. Most modern cars don't have a reserve tire. Not sure what you're talking about. > - going forward - cram all controls/settings and information displays into a small ipad. You are all peons, you get less control/safety/information because tesla wants fewer warranty claims. It's still wrong if you repeat it multiple times.

andyferris 3y ago
I’ve literally never seen a car without a spare tire. It’s usually hidden underneath the trunk these days. I assumed it was law? EDIT: never mind, I see Teslas come with a repair kit instead. (I suppose by modern car you might mean electric.) TIL
- quonn 3y ago
  At least in Germany most manufacturers do this - and not only for electric cars. Many modern cars do not contain a spare tire. And this has been widely reported for at least 10 years now. I generally find it really strange that so many articles single out Tesla to complain about issues that apply to many new cars. But maybe the US market is very different and maybe in the US Teslas really are very different from other cars.
- l33tman 3y ago
  My 2012 car has no spare tire, you are instead mandated to use run-flat tires (on those, you can still drive 80 km at a lower speed). This is pretty common.
- kelnos 3y ago
  My 2022 Mercedes has no spare tire, and there's no room for one under the trunk bed. I was told the tires are run-flat tires. Which I guess is fine for some short distance, but after that, I'll be SOL. Really wish there was a spare. And I'm sure when the tires need replacement, they'll be much more expensive than the regular non-run-flat ones.
- bravetraveler 3y ago
  Common for different reasons, remarkably annoying Buy a Mustang with bigger brakes or wheels, you get the same treatment
Dalewyn 3y ago
>No it isn't. Touchscreens demand I look away from my surroundings, because I will never know where anything is nor if I did whatever I wanted to do correctly. That is fundamentally terrible as regards safe driving.
- quonn 3y ago
  Can you give an example of something that really needs to be adjusted on the touchscreen while driving that cannot be adjusted using the buttons on the steering wheel on the Model 3? I never ever need to do this. Additionally the lane keeping and adaptive cruise control on the highway are rock solid, so even if you would look briefly - for example at the navigation system, just like in any other car - not much can happen. Regarding looking away - in Europe we are taught in driving school to look over our left shoulder when changing lanes. So we take the eyes of the road ahead FAR longer than a brief peak at a touchscreen. Yet this is deemed to be acceptable and safer even in a car that does not keep the lane and does not automatically break if there is an obstacle in front.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    >using the buttons on the steering wheel on the Model 3? I suppose I should clarify I am speaking generally, I don't own nor have I ever driven a Tesla. I have, however, had to deal with touchscreen controls in recent years. >even if you would look briefly >a brief peak at a touchscreen. The thing about touchscreens is they demand more than just a "brief" "peak". I need to look at it, obviously, and also devote considerable attention and mental processing to comprehending what's on the screen and then moving my hand and finger as necessary. I can't rely on muscle memory or peripheral sensory feedback, because nothing is ever in the same, consistent place on a touchscreen nor is there any useful tactile or auditory feedback. I must decipher the touchscreen every time and hope to dear god the shitsilicon running the thing can process my input in a timely and reliable manner (spoiler: it won't). One time, the touchscreen controls for the AC locked up and stayed broken until I turned the entire car off and back on when I was done with that leg of driving. Touchscreen controls in a car are a driving hazard, I would argue worse than "text and drive" smartphones.

by quonn 3y ago

andyferris 3y ago

I’ve literally never seen a car without a spare tire. It’s usually hidden underneath the trunk these days. I assumed it was law? EDIT: never mind, I see Teslas come with a repair kit instead. (I suppose by modern car you might mean electric.) TIL

quonn 3y ago
At least in Germany most manufacturers do this - and not only for electric cars. Many modern cars do not contain a spare tire. And this has been widely reported for at least 10 years now. I generally find it really strange that so many articles single out Tesla to complain about issues that apply to many new cars. But maybe the US market is very different and maybe in the US Teslas really are very different from other cars.
l33tman 3y ago
My 2012 car has no spare tire, you are instead mandated to use run-flat tires (on those, you can still drive 80 km at a lower speed). This is pretty common.
kelnos 3y ago
My 2022 Mercedes has no spare tire, and there's no room for one under the trunk bed. I was told the tires are run-flat tires. Which I guess is fine for some short distance, but after that, I'll be SOL. Really wish there was a spare. And I'm sure when the tires need replacement, they'll be much more expensive than the regular non-run-flat ones.
bravetraveler 3y ago
Common for different reasons, remarkably annoying Buy a Mustang with bigger brakes or wheels, you get the same treatment

Dalewyn 3y ago

>No it isn't. Touchscreens demand I look away from my surroundings, because I will never know where anything is nor if I did whatever I wanted to do correctly. That is fundamentally terrible as regards safe driving.

quonn 3y ago
Can you give an example of something that really needs to be adjusted on the touchscreen while driving that cannot be adjusted using the buttons on the steering wheel on the Model 3? I never ever need to do this. Additionally the lane keeping and adaptive cruise control on the highway are rock solid, so even if you would look briefly - for example at the navigation system, just like in any other car - not much can happen. Regarding looking away - in Europe we are taught in driving school to look over our left shoulder when changing lanes. So we take the eyes of the road ahead FAR longer than a brief peak at a touchscreen. Yet this is deemed to be acceptable and safer even in a car that does not keep the lane and does not automatically break if there is an obstacle in front.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  >using the buttons on the steering wheel on the Model 3? I suppose I should clarify I am speaking generally, I don't own nor have I ever driven a Tesla. I have, however, had to deal with touchscreen controls in recent years. >even if you would look briefly >a brief peak at a touchscreen. The thing about touchscreens is they demand more than just a "brief" "peak". I need to look at it, obviously, and also devote considerable attention and mental processing to comprehending what's on the screen and then moving my hand and finger as necessary. I can't rely on muscle memory or peripheral sensory feedback, because nothing is ever in the same, consistent place on a touchscreen nor is there any useful tactile or auditory feedback. I must decipher the touchscreen every time and hope to dear god the shitsilicon running the thing can process my input in a timely and reliable manner (spoiler: it won't). One time, the touchscreen controls for the AC locked up and stayed broken until I turned the entire car off and back on when I was done with that leg of driving. Touchscreen controls in a car are a driving hazard, I would argue worse than "text and drive" smartphones.